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Reduced Reliance on RNG (from the perspective of a game maker)

Posted 2021-03-03 10:38:45

Yeah I literally just lost 20hp in a battle with a level one. I'm level twenty, I should get nicked at best.

finnfinite
#21205

Posted 2021-03-03 10:42:33

The battling system is in serious need of change. There is no consistency, sometimes I can knock a level 1 out with 4-5 hits, other times, I bleed on the first strike and am dead within the next 2.


MonoPearl
#1565

Posted 2021-03-03 11:24:53 (edited)

Unpopular opinion: The dev should've Fixed these kinda of issues first before releasing anything like the events. I love the ideas they have to give us but the wait would be more worth it if things like this were fixed beforehand. 

I'm not very interested in the event really esp to fight other animals there esp given how we only get 1 tiny LT in general rn (Those who can grind more than others can have no trouble at all to get LT but not everyone has such free time and are busy).

I barely do fighting quests if at all though the SC payout is what makes me do it though i take NO JOY in fighting. It's just not fun for me nor worth it. Hardly anything drops after a fight, let alone I notice you don't get SC for even fighting which may be appreciated esp rn some are still trying to gather SC and it's Still not easy. Getting Gold cones is easier than getting silver rn which is funny given how GC is supposed to be a second currency and is harder to earn like on LD for example (Where you have to save up at least 1k SB to trade in for 1 GB which is fair) Yes, the game is young and things aren't stable yet But Silver cones are supposed to be the main currency and thus should be easier to get and a lot more than right now and fights are one good way to earn some SC. Or Should be but that's a thing for another time.

All i do is my own RNG rolls with an app on my phone Or actual dice for my gameplay style and self created 'lessons/training' for my pups and adol wolves and hunt my wolves. 

So RNG here is very broken so fights aren't worth it a lot of the time let alone worth it save for quests (Which face it, is the main way to get a good amount of SC at least once a day). I get the game is meant to be challenging and having you grind to get anywhere but this is Too much. It's more of a chore than a fun game. 

I've seen a lot of Games on Gamejolt for example whose so focused on a challenge that they make the game Un-Fun with little to none replay value. Many hated the game due to the mechanics being Too hard to enjoy let alone pass and many only complete the game Just to complete it and then throw it away so to speak. WD is kinda like that or leaning towards it. There IS such a thing as Too challenging and Too Broken and WD is about there. 

Really hope the Devs fix this soon As Possible :/


Fea
#12206

Posted 2021-03-03 12:11:43
An update on my post supporting this earlier. My lead is lvl 18. I just encountered and attempted to fight a lvl 19 Gray Fox. Again, this was an enemy who was ONLY ONE LEVEL HIGHER THAN ME. What happened in this fight? Well. I tried to attack this fox eleven times, and only succeeded five times, only doing 2-3 damage each time. Meanwhile, the fox didn't fail an attack ONCE-- while I got five 2-3 damage hits and six failed hits out of eleven, the fox got... eight 4-5 damage hits, four 2-3 damage hits, and NO failed hits out of 12. My hit success rate was 55%. The fox's was 100%. My total damage inflicted was 10. The fox's total damage inflicted was 48. From an enemy only ONE level higher than I am. In the SAME number of turns. This should have been a fair fight based on the levels, but it wasn't. Not at ALL. Not when an enemy only a level higher than me is getting this much of an advantage. This is literally insane. I love this game. But the battling system is seriously broken unless the RNG dependence gets fixed, and while I don't think I'd stop playing because of it, it is really frustrating and makes me not enjoy the game as much. And I can definitely see it getting to the point where people leave the game over it if this doesn't get fixed VERY soon.

Total energy used: 22.

You suffered too many wounds and are forced to retreat.

The Gray Fox attacks you for 4 damage.

[Rolled 2 + -1]You bite the Gray Fox for 3 damage.

The Gray Fox attacks you for 5 damage.

[Rolled 4 + -1]You try to bite the Gray Fox but miss.

The Gray Fox attacks you for 5 damage.

[Rolled 3 + -1]You bite the Gray Fox for 2 damage.

You are on your last ounce of energy! Your attacks are weaker! 

The Gray Fox attacks you for 5 damage.

[Rolled 4 + -1]You try to bite the Gray Fox but miss.

The Gray Fox attacks you for 2 damage.

[Rolled 2 + -1]You try to bite the Gray Fox but miss.

The Gray Fox attacks you for 4 damage.

[Rolled 4 + -1]You bite the Gray Fox for 3 damage.

The Gray Fox attacks you for 4 damage.

[Rolled 1 + -1]You try to bite the Gray Fox but miss.

The Gray Fox attacks you for 3 damage.

[Rolled 3 + -1]You bite the Gray Fox for 2 damage.

The Gray Fox attacks you for 5 damage.

[Rolled 4 + -1]You try to bite the Gray Fox but miss.

The Gray Fox attacks you for 5 damage.

[Rolled 3 + -1]You bite the Gray Fox for 2 damage.

The Gray Fox attacks you for 3 damage.

[Rolled 4 + -1]You try to bite the Gray Fox but miss.

[Rolled 6 + -1]The Gray Fox lunges at you, but you dodge and take only 3 damage.

[Rolled 4 + -1]The Gray Fox anticipated your attack and outsmarted you. They have the initiative.


Thistle ⭐ [He/Him]
#29533

Posted 2021-03-03 12:14:35

Yeah, the event got ppl active again, but let's face it... it really is battle heavy, and when lvl one enemy is FASTER than me and MOVES FIRST... then you know it's very broken. And I don't remember enemy hitting me for -1hp or -2hp, yet it's more than common for me.


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#28599

Posted 2021-03-03 18:35:48

Yeah, I have no joke depleted 50 healing salves out of the cache I was building for just such an event, and have noticed them flying off the shelves on the trading center. I suspect I'll be down to almost zero by the time the event is over.

That said: I agree that releasing the event when the combat system was still broken was a misstep.


DogBlud
#24586

Posted 2021-03-03 18:41:40 (edited)

I used more that 130 healing salves already, and the price skyrocketed on trading market. Before the event the price of healing salve was 25SC on average, now it's 70-95SC depending on time of the day. Honestly I could make more money selling healing salves than I might have from future selene stud xD But it shows how much HP everyone is loosing now on daily basis.

EDIT
Level 1 enemy everyone. LEVEL ONE.

[Rolled 6 + 1]You retreat quickly and recover some energy! Total energy used: 1.

You are bleeding and have lost 2 HP.

[Rolled 6 + 0]You rest a bit and recover 2 HP.

You are wounded and have lost 3 HP.

The Lunar Horse attacks you for 2 damage. You are wounded!

[Rolled 4 + -1]You bite the Lunar Horse for 4 damage.

[Rolled 5 + 1]The Lunar Horse lunges at you, but you dodge and take only 1 damage.

[Rolled 2 + 1]The Lunar Horse tries to run and is clearly faster. You still have a chance but you missed the opening move.


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#28599

Posted 2021-03-04 00:08:49

Highkey it sucks that this event is mostly revolving around fighting and only fighting 

I just had to pass up several fight encounters that could've given me 1-2LT but I just couldn't fight them purely because I didn't have salves god I've spent so much on this event alone purely on salves/feet to even get a chance to keep up with everyone else that and I just refuse to spend 10GC on 5 salves and vice-versa for feet 


🐸AngyFrog🐸
#3122

Posted 2021-03-04 00:16:59 (edited)

That we have to do it again next month for exclusive markings is really making me get some serious buyers remorse on that Selene base. I had enough salves to cover this event but am gonna have to go big on revitalizing my stockpile if I'm gonna have a half-decent shot at collecting those, esp if they come out to a similar price.

The battling system has been called out multiple times as the worst thing on the game, so yeah this all feels really punishing if you're actually trying to earn the rewards. I've already heard a couple friends saying they'll wait a few months for the base to get so overbred that it'll tank in price/become easily affordable on the TC.


DogBlud
#24586

Posted 2021-03-04 10:50:38

Woo. This event hurt in a way the ones on LD never did. o.o I love, love, love this game so much more and this event was sooo up my alley and utterly gorgeous...but damn did the battling bit. I've lost count of healing salves. Well over 40 used and at this point I'm skipping unless the opponent is well under me fore the Dreams event...the problem? I'm still getting my butt kicked. 

My lead is level 17. After losing 11 HP to a level 8 and barely nicking them, I retreated. My attacks just kept missing. I'm 9 levels higher, I should have squashed them.

The level 15 charged jaguar or the level 13 rattlesnakes forcing me to retreat because I couldn't land hits hurt... but that was easier to bear than a level 8. Though the rattle snake was after blowing two healing salves for nothinggg.

I love battling...but it is so luck dependent that it hurts. :(

Storrie
#37476

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