Show Instances of Inbreeding

Paid feature? Is that a joke lol

I'm not paying money because you're upset people don't want inbred wolves. 

Clean and NIB breeder's playstyles aren't hurting anyone. In the end, if no one wants to stud to or buy your inbred wolves there is absolutely zilch you can do about it.

I don't think there should be anything on a wolves main page that says they are inbred. Inbreeding does not effect gameplay, and "clean breeding" is a game-style many people subscribe to, but it's not the only way. Something on the main page would push people towards a certain playstyle, and may confuse new players. 

I'm undecided on a indicator on a wolves family page... non-clean breeders have no immediate need for the page, but it still places the indicator in a obvious place, and may confuse new players into thinking inbreeding has some negative effect on their wolves. 

However, I do support a scrying feature that allows (1) scrying of wolves to see if they are inbred (2) scrying of pairs to see if their offspring will be inbred.   These can be very cheep - maybe one 3 or 5 SC per scry, or maybe even free. A whole scrying page would also give plenty of space to explain that inbreeding has no in-game effect. 

Nobody said it was the only way,  and I said it could be toggle-able. You don't want to see a counter on your wolves page or lineage? Toggle it off.

Why are making mountains out of mole hills? Especially you, Bone Fairy, it isn't that serious.

I have to agree with Jax and Zambz.

Inbreeding is already in the game. It literally changes nothing besides showing a little thing on the bottom of the family page 'This wolf has x instances of inbreeding'.
Your inbred wolves are already inbred.

As for a paid feature, why? It's free on Lioden. Yeah, yeah Lioden and Wolvden are two different games, but they're both focused on breeding? People want to play the same way they do on Lioden, there's no shame in that.

This is the one on Lioden. It mentions inbreeding has NO in-game effect. Can transfer that over too if you're worried about newer players.

YOUR INBRED WOLVES ARE ALREADY INBRED.
There is literally no changes besides adding a bar that helps clean/NIB breeders.

Nobody's holding your hand and forcing you to clean/NIB breed. If you meet someone being rude about it, block them? Not all of us are like that, we just want to play without getting fucked over by inbreeding that's not accounted for.

The downside that IB players fear is that this feature will somehow make their wolves less appealing, but in reality, it won't. Your wolf has the same instances of inbreeding that it already had, and a counter does not change that fact. It's just obnoxious for us, the NIB players, to have to manually pick through each and every family line to find these instances of inbreeding. A counter does not diminish the value of a wolf. A counter just brings its preexisting qualities to light. If you do not want a counter because you do not want players to see inbreeding and refuse to buy, that is not the fault of a NIB player. Again, NIB players have their playstyle, IB players have their playstyle. It is unfair to expect a NIB player to have to search for inbreeding when inbreeding itself can purposefully or accidentally happen with a simple click of a button.

People don't like it because it assigns "negative connations" to their wolves or whatever such nonsense.

One way or another, people are going to check to see if the wolves are inbred. Clean breeding was a thing on LD for an entire year before the Incest counter was added.

I support! As someone striving to have a den of NIB mutants and mutation-gene-carriers, it can get exhausting digging through each wolves' lineage just to be sure they're clear of doubled parentages. It would make it easier for me to buy other folks' wolves, since I wouldn't need to worry so much, and I'd only need to worry about the bloodlines of the pups they produce, rather than the bloodlines of every wolf I buy or adopt!

I understand you said it would be toggleable, and if the feature in implemented, I think that is a necessity. Like I said earlier, I'm mostly worried about there being obvious, easy to see indictors for something that has no in-game functionality.  There are a few reasons for this: 

(1) It can confuse new players. It is natural to assume that if something is clearly displayed, it is relevant to game-play. A wolves page is a common location, 

(2) It carters to a single playstyle. In general, I am not in support on changes that, subtly or not, push players towards a certain way of playing. 

I understand that Lioden has the feature. But this is Wolvden, a different site. If I was on Lioden and this feature was being discussed, I would have the same opinion.  Personally, I don't like inbreeding. I avoid it. But that doesn't change my views on the above points.  I would support a free or very low SC cost scrying option. 

"In general, I am not in support on changes that, subtly or not, push players towards a certain way of playing. "

Nobody is pushing anyone to do anything. If you don't wish to clean breed just...don't clean breed. Honestly, it takes more effort to check for incest and unwanted lineages than it does to just buy/breed wolves willy nilly regardless of who is related to whom.

Wolvden being a different site doesn't preclude this feature being added. 

(1) It's not that hard to write "Note: inbreeding has no in-game effects" under the inbreeding counter, or put it somewhere very clear on the heritage page, like at the top.

(2) A single playstyle that not just a few individuals play. It is a huge majority of the community that plays by NIB/clean. Nobody is forcing your hand to breed clean.

It should absolutely not be pay to check.