Show Instances of Inbreeding

Full support! I think it would be good to have wolf profiles show inbreeding coefficients, with a minimum inbreeding coefficient of "0.2% or less" (ie NIB in 5 generations). Trying to get any more specific than that could cause lag or require excessive coding. Among dog breeding communities, 0.2% or less would be amazingly low. Clicking through 5 whole family trees for every wolf from the TC is a real pain.

Hi again so I was reading comments and I think a scrying thing could work, just not to tell you if a wolf is inbred. It could work similar to the ultrasound thing so you add the ID of 2 wolves and it will tell u if they share however many ancestors.

So like you add the ID of wolf 1 and wolf 2. Then it says something like "These wolves have -insert numbers here- ancestors in common" or "These wolves have 0 ancestors in common" or something :3

Idk but could be an interesting addition since it might be helpful but maybe thats just me lol

@ Zambz

That sounds good with me.

So, we could have..

1. Inbred count on a wolves family page that could be turned on/off (which maybe could be off by default, so not to confuse new players to think inbreeding has an affect on the game)

And

2. A scrying-like system to check if two wolves possibly share any ansestors. 

I hope this wouldn't be too much to ask for. x3

Similarly to what Zeva and Keycatt said I agree that showing instances of inbreeding can pressure some players into certain gameplay even if the feature is supposed to be clearly informative.

(Non-)inbreeding is pure metagaming, the term is brought up solely by players. There's a part of community who is completely unaware of inbreeding in this game and they buy wolves without looking at their heritage. Players from this group once they learn what inbreeding is, from chatters specifically, they will either care or not care about inbreeding. Players who trade IB wolves lose potential customers who learn about inbreeding and decide to be NIB players. So in result, the demand of IB wolves will decrease thus the price of IB wolves will decrease.

However, I understand the concern regarding how uncomfortable it is to check heritage that is past 3 generations because we need to click through great grandparents analyzing multiple tabs. I suggest to implement a feature that shows the entire heritage tree for certain wolf to help players in analyzing instances of inbreeding but don't bring up "inbreeding" word as in-game feature. Also, my suggestion might help players be aware of inbreeding when choosing stud. It's better than scrying.

I dont think adding a simple thing like how many instances of inbreeding there are with a note this dont effect gameplay will hurt or change anything tbh.

The people who dont care about it still won't care and the people who do care are already going to check anyway. It wont effect the value of wolves at all because the wolves are already inbred or they aren't.

The admins could even change the wording to not use the term inbreeding specifically if they wanted even I'd imagine :3

I personally don’t think that the feature would make a wolf less appealing. As stated by many users already, if a wolf is inbred the counter/feature would only show that simple fact. If a player already values a inbred wolf less than a nib that feature won’t change anything. It would be just more simpler for nib players, as well as ib players to check a pure simple fact. It would just make it clear so people won’t have to spend hours checking inbreeding instances only to buy a wolf. Besides, the lack of this feature could lead to people exhibiting a scammy behavior (by stating false information) when selling wolves, when lineages will be longer.

The counter won’t be the cause of players not choosing to ib or nib but just an effect of the game mechanics that are already there!

Howwww does an easy-to-see indication of inbreeding put any pressure on anyone whatsoever? Please explain, I genuinely don't understand what half of you are talking about.

Saying that you 'lose business' because other players don't want inbred wolves... That's exactly how it already is. The only thing an indicator is going to change is your ability to hide that from other players. It makes others 'more aware' of inbreeding/non-inbreeding well... good??? People have the right to make informed decisions on how they want to play the game? 

A lot of the no-support is just stemming from the fact that they don't want NIB breeding anyway. The inbreeding instances counter would be optional and those who want to use it to make their life easier, will do so. Its not going to change the fact that some people NIB breed anyways, the value of the wolves will not change because the market value already exists, and so on. How is it any different from a new player buying IB wolves and then finding out that inbreeding might make their wolves less desirable to some? They're going to learn that regardless of the counter, and definitely not because of it. 

I support this 

I am used to being a NIB player and would enjoy knowing about my lines of course a wolf can help that it was born IB or not and i would still care a lot about my wolves regardless if they're inbred or not i Just prefer not to buy wolves due to my own gameplay preference if i can help it. 

I wouldn't hurt to have this feature and i like the idea of it having a button maybe like in the settings/player page to toggle on/off. It's harmless and useful to those who want it so i see no reason why it can't be in the game ^ ^

Y’all make a lot of good points and I’m coming around on this. I’d still rather have it be on the family page and not the main page.

Checking for inbreeding within five generations should be free, although I think it’s reasonable to charge 10 sc to scry further back than that. (Basing this on existing scrying fees.)

Personally, I think of NIB as no inbreeding within five generations, not “these two wolves share an ancestor ten generations back” so a mandatory inbreeding disclaimer on a wolf with no relatives within five generations would be a bit confusing. How does it work on lioden anyway? I’ve never played but got the impression the marker is based on five generations?