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Ability to train pups while they are listed for sale in the TC

Ability to train pups while they are listed for sale in the TC
Posted 2021-08-03 07:40:25
#501413
Hello, I am making this suggestion because while a pup is waiting to be sold, I'd still like them to be at their best for whoever purchases them, and for them to not miss out on training days.  Currently it's a hassle to take down trades to train the pups and relist them, and it boots watchers off your trades in the process.

My suggestion is to allow pups you have listed for sale to be trained.  I think this can be possible if the trade is made temporarily unavailable during that time, but is available again automatically once the training finishes.  There is already a similar mechanism in place for when a seller hasn't rolled over yet.

This would just require coding I believe.  Thanks for taking the time to consider my suggestion.
Fran
#19368
Posted 2021-08-04 06:03:24
#501778
Selling pups has become bothersome since pup training was implemented. Before, pups used to be traded with an intention to sell them before they start being able to develop their skills as adults. It was a huge period of time during which pups didn't have anything to do. Currently, if I want to sell pups and keep up with stats, I have to cancel pup trades everyday losing offers, watchers and potential customers who would like to check for pups in the meantime and after training come back to re-list the trades. Along with adol training, I can't find any good moment to keep pups in trade for longer time unless I stop rolling over. I would like to train pups without having to cancel trades repetitively.

Can you elaborate on what you mean by the trade being temporarily unavailable? Will the trade owner, watchers, bidders and other users be able to see the trade, put or retract offers? After training being finished, the player has to complete the lesson manually. Currently, the pup still cannot be traded and other players don't see if the pup has a lesson to complete. If the pup could be traded during this time, how would the purchase affect the lesson?
Dżanek
#24018
Posted 2021-08-04 09:24:28
#501869
I agree completely with Dzanek. I would like to train pups without having to cancel trades repetitively.

I think trade unavailability is a bit clunky from a buyer's perspective because you don't know when the seller will be back online to complete the lesson. So I have a slight alternative suggestion:
1. Pups who are currently in a trade can be trained.
2. If you buy out a trade where a pup is currently in training, then the pup is pulled out of the lesson and immediately comes to your den. The pup does not receive any stat benefit from the incomplete lesson, but also does not count as having been trained for the day, so you can train the pup yourself that day.
3. On the seller's end, if all pup(s) in a particular lesson are bought out, the lesson is canceled. The seller receives a notification "Lesson Canceled," and the trainer receives no exp/stat gain. If pups remain (e.g., there are 3 pups in a lesson and only 1 is bought) then the lesson continues as normal, just with the one pup gone.
Lionel
#34199
Posted 2021-08-04 20:13:06 (edited)
#502094
@ Dżanek Regarding the trades being temporarily unavailable, I mean something like when a player hasn't rolled over yet, there will be a banner over their wolf's page that says "This wolf has not rolled over today and will not be able to be traded or gifted until its next rollover."  Presumably their wolf trades aren't viewable in the TC during that time because I haven't heard of or encountered any unbuyable trades.  It would be something like that, and when the player finishes the lesson, the banner will go away and their pup trade reappears in the TC.

@ Lionel, I am liking that suggestion of pulling the pup out of a lesson when it's bought as an alternative.  I don't see it causing any grievances and it also has the benefit of the trade being available all during the lessons.
Fran
#19368
Posted 2021-08-05 10:00:32 (edited)
#502258
I support, though I don't think it should work like how Lionel suggested. I feel like that's a lot of unnecessary coding the devs would have to go through, and it'll be more likely to cause bugs.

I think it would be better if the trade simply switched to  'freeze' it and say "This trade is temporarily unavailable." You can still see offers and the trade contents itself, but the option to buy or add more offers will be gone exactly like how they already do when you view a trade that's just been bought out.

It'll be easy to know why it's unavailable. Clicking on the pup says it's in training, and that it can't be gifted or traded until it's not. 		KittyKookiez [L Off]
#34644
Posted 2021-08-05 11:47:34 (edited)
#502299
About the banner "This wolf has not rolled over today and will not be able to be traded or gifted until its next rollover.": You can still buy out trades (and accept gifts, theoretically) containing wolves which haven't rolled over today but you can't put up for trade/gift these wolves until your next roll over. It means that currently all trades are generally available for other users. However, I must admit that reading the banner text I felt that if I hadn't known how it worked, I would've also thought those wolves couldn't be bought. I think the text should be a subject to change so players get less confused about this. Something like: "This wolf has not rolled over today and will not be able to be put on trade or gift until its next rollover."

Trading wolves would become uncomfortable for buyers if they were temporarily disabled from viewing it to see new offers or fix/cancel their own. If trades contained many pups that were trained sequentially, they would be unavailable for much longer time which would be even more irritating.

Trades being visible but unable to be bought wouldn't make it better. First, this buyer's discomfort who sees the trade but temporarily cannot do anything with this, explained in the previous paragraph. Second, currently the first who sees the trade with an intention to buy out will get it. If the trade was seen but temporarily unavailable to be bought out due to pup training, multiple interested customers could come to see the trade but only the first who checks after pup training is done will get it, leaving the other customers annoyed with the feeling that they could have got it if the trade was available for them. Third, sellers could exploit this feature to lock their underpriced trades that wouldn't be able to be bought out but had buyout price set, which would mislead other sellers into thinking the value of those trades were lower than they actually were (unless the buyout prices were not seen by other players).

I thought about an alternative idea, simply to cancel training for the pup upon purchase, the same as Lionel introduced but Lionel brought more details into it. The buyer could train newly bought pup again even after rollover if the seller didn't roll over yet. The problem I see is when the seller rolls over, hasn't completed the lesson but someone buys out the pup - this would result in a day of training lost. However, I think this is the best idea thought so far.
Dżanek
#24018
Posted 2021-09-16 02:52:11
#523526
That seems like a really good idea! (I actually made a topic about the same thing, but for adols)

Lionel's idea (just cancel the lesson) seems like the most convenient way to do it.
Fal - semi hiatus
#43456
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