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Intersex Wolves

Posted 2022-04-05 16:44:29
#717960
True, but thats also kinda the issue with chased NBWs, with raffle marks or T3 bases and carriers, even tho it isn't a "rare" base or etc it's still rare for a NBW
xofrnk [INACTIVE]
#10923
Posted 2022-04-05 19:52:37
#718090
@Arbor: I know Plagg didn't request it, I just wanted to clarify for devs what I assumed most of us would not want.

@Dżanek: Good point, didn't think of that.
Xeva
#16394
Posted 2022-04-05 19:53:23
#718092
I edited that in there
xofrnk [INACTIVE]
#10923
Posted 2022-04-05 19:54:36
#718096
Oh, thanks Plagg!
Xeva
#16394
Posted 2022-04-05 20:19:07
#718123
given that the sister site has a mutation for double uteruses, I don't see why having intersex wolves would be a problem. I can't say that I know much about intersex folks myself, so take the following with the grain of salt owed to someone who knows nothing, but I'm not sure I see the issue in allowing a player to change the pup's sex from intersex to M or F at birth, especially given that we can do so with both AFAB and AMAB wolves.

I understand that in reality it's a much touchier subject, but given how the site's mechanics already work it may be one worth overlooking. Especially since things a lot 'worse' can be removed at birth - conjoined twins, at birth, with the osha item in the raccoon shop.

I do think more thought needs to be put towards the breeding mechanic: are they only capable of bearing pups, or can they sire them as well? the site doesn't currently have a fertility check for males, so there wouldn't be much of a slow-down there. I really.. don't see an issue with either - in fact, it would make them more desirable for anyone who wanted to breed via pairbond - but maybe there should be a limit on them doing one or the other? So, for instance, they can't be set as a stud and then be put in a pairbond where they would act as the mother of the pups.

and would an intersex parent increase the odds of their pups also being born intersex? in that case, it may have to be treated as a mutation regardless, even if the wording was poor.
EasyPlesi
#1499
Posted 2022-04-05 20:23:23
#718125
Yea they would be able to be studs and the AFAB/AMAB gets into a subject I would possibly be willing to talk about in dm(s) because I don't want anyone to see it here and get triggered by anything :")
xofrnk [INACTIVE]
#10923
Posted 2022-04-05 20:24:18
#718126
There is so much other stuff that would need to go into adding something like that to any game. For example I breed goats IRL and hermaphrodites are often kept by breeders because they tend to be sterile but are great for telling if a doe is in heat or a buck in rut as they will "buck" a doe or "doe" a buck. So percentages of sterile would have to be added in if it wasn't 100% and there is also the question of is it 2 fully functional sets of reproductive organs, 1 full 1 partial or 2 partial sets? What percentage change is there to pass it on if they aren't automatically sterile? And what kind of realism is the game going for because that also dictates what percentage of the number of animals would have  hermaphroditism. There's just to many variables for me to get behind it because I don't want unrealistic numbers of them because not enough research was put into percentages. 		Felix
#64837
Posted 2022-04-07 08:42:54
#719487
I really support this! I've been wanting an idea like this to come along, but I didn't know how to put it into words. Thanks for that! I think an intersex wolf would be beneficial to the community :D
Vixpine🌲
#60856
Posted 2022-04-09 10:16:37
#720914
I was prepared to give no support as it seemed more a wishful thinking of representation that lacked any real game mechanic that could be useful, but after your explanation I think it is a neat idea but would need a LOT of thought into how it would work in the game with breeding mechanics especially.

Since it's such a low chance to occur, just like it's a rarity in irl, and isn't something people can choose to do since it would require heavy body surgery & modification to hold both genitalia, and it has biologically understandable issues, I think it could be a neat idea. It can give people some extra lore to their wolves, give some rep to the community, and be something other people would breed or look to buy for. Since it wouldn't really be genetic so much as random chance, it'd be harder for people to mass breed them like albinos and melanistic wolves, making it stay more as a rarity and desirable.
@Felix explained a bit better what my thoughts were on breeding and fertility, but I didn't realize there was a second page before typing my thoughts so here is my two cents:
A dice roll that stays on the lower end of fertility would be cool, as I imagine it's gotta be rough with a body trying to run both sets of everything and then grow a whole living being in there as well. Since lower fertility also results in more fatal mutations on WD, perhaps some would like them with low fertility to try their paw at breeding some fatal mute puppies to immortalize and sell.
I'm on the fence about it being used as a stud, as it could also end up pregnant and if you want to breed it but also get stud requests.... I'd think it be awkward to give someone the mate while also having a big pregnant belly. Perhaps if they have a low fertility rate as an intersex wolf from the female portion, it could take longer for mating to work when studding, like how it is with females that have low fertility.
I'm also on board with @Felix saying there would be either many or some that are either sterile, or so low on fertility they would be essentially sterile or useless in breeding. Perhaps there could be a way to make up for or balance this, such as double the proficiency gained when pupsitting and double the protection available.
Sunny
#30082
Posted 2022-07-26 15:31:49
#803787
ooo! this is an awesome idea. but, what if people just don't see the representation and just another ''rare wolf i can sell'' type of thing? i'm all for this, though.
✦ coyote ✦
#77326