Traded Puppy Survival Grace Period

Survival warnings would be nice, but still doesn't help those of us in different timezones who offer on a puppy and then are asleep by the time it is accepted, since there's literally NOTHING we could do to protect the pup. I do definitely see your point about incentivising protecting puppies better though!

(also kelpiemomma omg I'm so so sorry that sounds AWFUL)

@OwO || mutie breeder Can you elaborate how timezone would come into play here? What I'm imagining is a warning on the pup before you offer if it's below a certain threshold. Like an alert that asks "This puppy only has x% chance of survival. Are you sure you want to make an offer?" Or some other similar way to warn the player beforehand that can't be missed.

Then, on each rollover, if it falls below that threshold (or is anything below the threshold), you would get something in your notifications that alerts you to the fact the puppy is not being cared for, so that you can go cancel the trade before it rolls over any further.

I'm not sure what the threshold should be off the top of my head but I'm not thinking of something super low like 20%. More like 50% or 60% because at that point, you're gonna need a pretty decent amount of pupsitter attention to keep it alive. I don't keep a large enough pack to feel like I really know what would be helpful there, so I might be aiming too high or too low with that.

While it'd be a nice warning to potential buyers and a potential punishment to sellers (since less people would risk buying a pup that might die on RO), it just seems more work than it's worth. 

Would much prefer a grace period for that first RO you have with a pup you just bought. After that, responsibility of its safety would then be up to you and only you.

@Gnoll my main thing for a grace period is that a puppy at 99% survival without a pupsitter can still die,  so it really would do nothing to help the actual problem? while of course a lower survival is a lower chance, you can still have a high survival puppy die on that first rollover.

Also it would be much easier to just implement that puppies can't die on the first rollover after being traded rather than warnings for various thresholds.  Again I still think that's a cool idea, but it doesn't fully solve the problem, which is not being able to put pupsitters on because the trade has been accepted when you're asleep. Ideally it would be cool to have both though!

I guess this is a difference of opinion then because it just seems like that’s a risk you take. Unless I’m wrong, because I haven’t had this happen to me yet, but I assume you can also lose a puppy if you aren’t paying attention to when they age up and you don’t have enough room for the adult.

To me this has too much potential for abuse. Even if there were a cooldown on how often the puppy can be traded, unless it’s that you can literally only trade them like... one time... it could vastly raise the chance for those puppies to survive. Every time they get traded, that’s one time they dodge having to go through the survival roll.

I suppose that's true, but if someone is spending the time to trade a puppy every single rollover then it is WAY more effort than just... having a pupsitter?

also if a teenager ages up and you don't have the space, you can spend SC to get them back,  where no such option exists for a puppy who has died. It just feels like a survival rollover isn't THAT easy to abuse because it is so much more effort than having one wolf to pupsit them?

But even then you could potentially set that every puppy only gets ONE guaranteed survival rollover in its life, with a small icon indicator somewhere?

In fact a good alternative may be that if A puppy dies you can spend SC to get them back, like with the adolescents, but I feel like they is way MORE likely to be abused than just having a 1 rollover grace

Pupsitters still have a chance of failure if the puppy has low survival or the pupsitter isn’t trained though. I can definitely see people organizing with friends (or making alt accounts even though that isn’t allowed) to shuffle around puppies. I don’t think it’s that hard to set up a trade with a bunch of puppies and keep doing that back and forth.

The problem I think if you make guaranteed survival a thing but only once is you will definitely end up with some people who don’t know it only works once. They buy a puppy without checking (because they don’t know to check) and end up with a dead puppy. Same problem.

The only alternative I can think of to a warning that seems reasonable is auto-assigning bought puppies to a pupsitter. But if they don’t have high proficiency or the puppy’s survival is too low, or several offers get accepted at the same time, you still might end up with dead puppies.