Support and no support button
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Posted 2021-07-27 11:18:37
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 Insane🍪Chocolate☕ #29186 |
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Posted 2021-08-05 15:14:22
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 SwiftSilence98[ON HIATUS] #33433 |
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Posted 2021-08-06 08:44:55 (edited)
I think it's especially good to add since any comments that are just 'support' or 'no support' get deleted. I know it's good to discuss and explain opinions, but the people who prefer to express simple support (or lack thereof) should be allowed to have their stances heard too without fear of it being erased. I definitely agree that people shouldn't be able to see who supported what though, at least not until they make their decision first. Bias towards or against the popular opinion might sway people on a subconscious level, so avoiding that would be preferred. Though I'd like to note that the rules have already stated that support count doesn't actually matter - they add what they like, not necessarily what we support. So just because something has a high support count doesn't guarantee anything, unfortunately. Edit: Oh, forgot to add that I don't think this would cause less discussion overall. Only the minority of the playerbase even comment on these suggestions in the first place - and it's often the same dozen or so people. The people who comment now probably still will even after buttons are added. The only difference buttons would do would be the opinions that go unheard all the time have a chance to be included. And like I said above, it sounds like our support count doesn't matter entirely anyway, so a few no supports without explanation won't be the end-all be-all. I hope this made sense, only slept like 3 hours. x_x |
 Whirligig (Hiatus) #11137 |
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Posted 2021-08-09 15:20:17 (edited)
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 Nei 🦀✨ #40965 |
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Posted 2021-09-01 17:32:08
When it comes to the staff actually looking at an idea, they aren't going to care about just pure numbers of support v no support, they're going to care about the actual discussion taking place behind either why it's an incredibly desired suggestion or a needed one because that's how you figure out the best ways to implement something. Not just by reading the first post and seeing how many people agree with it. People can still chime in with little comments of support or not obviously, it's still useful when you give a moments thought on why unlike when you just leave a static number that tells staff a lot less than you probably feel. It may also discourage people from reading through threads and forming a more rounded idea of why they do or don't support it. It's like... your co-workers are arranging an office party and ask your buddy to go about arranging getting a centerpiece dish for it. They ask you if it should be a poll or if they should just ask in the group chat. Now if your friend does a poll, you can certainly vote for your favourite dish but you'll have no input on how it's done- you might get that cake you want but there's a chance it'll be lemon when you really don't like lemon. If they just actually ask in the group chat, you have the choice of either giving a simple answer ("just cake"), or elaborating on what you want ("cake but no lemon please"). Maybe a bit of a long winded example but the same sorta logic applies here? We can either add voting and request thus mods pay more attention to that but then risk the features being implemented in a way detrimental to our experience of them because you never went out your way to give further input. Or we just stay as is, and you'll still have to specify if you do need something added or taken away from the suggestion. So basically: no support, as it would likely highly discourage discussion which is important for figuring out the specifics on how players want a feature instead of just jamming it in exactly as the OP wants. |
Recall #21344 |
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Posted 2021-09-01 19:47:27 (edited)
Just for myself personally with my experience with this on Lioden (apologies for bringing up a different game, but that's where I have more experience with suggestion forums like this), if I find that there is a suggestion that I don't agree with, or I agree with it in some capacity but not all of it, then I will take the time to write out why I do or don't agree with it. But I don't have the time to do that for every suggestion I want to show my support on. If I'm being honest, if it were me, I'd prefer for all comments on my suggestion to be constructive towards the discussion, rather than a rash of spammed "support!" or "no support!". I'd rather just see it as a number. If people care enough about a suggestion to want to add to the discussion on it, they will take the time to do it. But most players, like myself, just don't have the time or energy to draft up comments in support of or against a suggestion, especially when I can clearly see that everything that I would have said has already been stated multiple times. This is why I am in support of the button system. Edit: Trust me, if people get the urge one way or another to respond and give constructive criticism to a suggestion, they will. Case in point ^ (and by that I mean that your response kicked at me enough to get off my butt and send in another response, not that I'm angry at you or anything -- just showing that people will respond if they see a need) |
 Jez #1127 |
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Posted 2021-09-02 01:49:27
I get what you're going for too, but as Jez said, sometimes suggestions just don't require discussion. For some suggestions, other than 'I agree, I've run into this problem myself! It would be nice. :)' there's not really anything to add. Is it bad to comment that? Of course not, but it's not exactly constructive. And also like Jez said, it gets pretty tiring seeing the same thing be said over and over again. That analogy you used implies that the comments on the Game Development board will be removed if this is implemented. That's not what OP or anyone here is saying should happen - if people want to click a simple button, they can, and those who want to explain themselves still can. No one's saying to silence people here, just a way to easily show who likes/dislikes what from a glance. (Though I still think that should only be visible after you vote yourself.) Plus that helps more accurately reflect what the overall consensus is, since there's always the silent side of the playerbase. They can have their own opinions heard in a very quick, simple way. As I had said above, I really don't think this change will do anything in terms of who responds to suggestions. The people who are passionate enough will comment, just like always. It's not going to completely murder any constructive discussion, especially with people who don't support. Those who don't agree with a suggestion very often speak up on why, button or no button. I speak up if I feel like it, and a button being added wouldn't change that. If the devs are going to implement something that people suggest, they're not going to ignore all the discussion just because the number of support is too high. I mean, I guess they could, but that just... doesn't make sense. That's not how adding public suggestions works. |
Whirligig (Hiatus) #11137 |
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Posted 2021-09-02 05:51:08
Suggestion threads would definitely need more buttons than just "support" and "no support" such as "this suggestion needs tweaks" or "there's another suggestion in the topic". What if the topic summons a problem that needs to be appealed but the solution is wrong? Or the solution is only partially right? Supporting seems like agreeing to the whole idea of the first post. Non-supporting seems like forfeiting the idea completely and ignoring the problem. What if within the topic there's another suggestion or two inspired by the first post that we would agree with? Which button would we click to support this new suggestion without supporting the first post? I think every idea can be simply said with "I support, I would make use of this" or "I support, this would help everybody" or "I don't support, this idea doesn't make sense". It can be intentional that simple statements are not demanded and the purpose of guidelines forbidding them could be that devs might not want to be influenced by them. This restriction quells the bias where users support their friends rather than their suggestions - when they have mixed feelings about the suggestion but their friend ask them to support so they do so. It's been mentioned several times that users want to give a simple statement rather than their constructive feedback on a popular topic that they don't feel like reading the whole because the feedback could've already been mentioned. In my opinion, if you're unsure whether the feedback you want to give has already been mentioned, it's better to post once more than leaving none of this. Whether this idea is implemented or not depends on the convenience of the development team, I guess. |
 Dżanek #24018 |
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Posted 2021-09-20 19:46:04
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Lucardos #42114 |