SALIGIA CANNOT BE A DATABLE WOLF | TW: Abusive and Toxic relationship/behavior

SALIGIA CANNOT BE A DATABLE WOLF \| TW: Abusive and Toxic relationship/behavior
Posted 2024-11-23 11:59:25 (edited) #1348195 Hi, welcome to my post. I'm creating this because you cannot bring your concerns about player safety and how Wolvden choses to interact with it's player base to modbox. SALIGIA CANNOT BE A DATABLE WOLF Don't get me wrong, I do like the character built and while I was uncomfortable in the moment while playing the storyline, I think it's a nice addition to add a proper bad guy. Someone you don't beat regardless of what you do. But the way Saligia's character has been written blatantly pastes her as abusive. She repeatedly lies and manipulated the player character, actively gaslighting them in one scene. In one route, they have a chance to fight her in which she has absurd health making her impossible to beat. Due to this, she forces consent from the user after bullying them into submission. In the bad endings? Once she gets what she wants, destroying the player character's world and, lore wise, any chance they had at returning it to normal, she abandoned the player character. Regardless of if you were loyal to a T or not. She does whatever she needs to get what she wants and throws the player aside like trash. She never properly treats the user with respect. It's clearly a facade to lurer the player further into her control and lock them under her. This is proven as much by her brief slips through the story where she goes from elegant and regal to nipping the player character's nose off. If you look at the Halloween event from a broad view, it's almost like the entire plot is if you can discover how bad she is before it's too late. An interesting parallel to unfortunate people in abusive, controlling, or toxic relationships. I'd like to reiterate. I like how Salgia was built, a proper big bad. But she should not be romance-able. This community has a massive amount of minors and I'd eager even more than that in inexperienced people who haven't dated much of at all before. For many people Dating Sims, which the February event is arguably a dating sim, are their first exposure to an actual romance or dating. Media is more often than not our first experience with the concept of dating or romance. If Wolvden implements an abusive character to date, you may be putting minors at risk of engaging in toxic relationships because they're mislead by this character and how she's portrayed. If you can date someone, trust someone, why would they be bad? That is usually the first thought given in any toxic relationship. Minors and young adults frequently struggle to identify when stuck in a toxic situation. If we tell them that this character who is arguably bad, is someone you can trust, we will be putting them in a bad spot for their lives outside of this game. Abusive or toxic relationships should NEVER be romanticized. Real people are trapped in real abusive and/or toxic relationships that they would never have wanted to get into if they knew in advance. By romanticizing a relationship like this, we dismiss the danger and awful lives that are truly on the front of the line of this kind of thing. Players here trust Wolvden to be a safe space, that is why you have an adults only board after all. They should be able to trust Wolvden to spread safe information. Players should not have to worry about some silly pixel animal game impacting their real life and real life relationships. Players should not be in a place where they can blame a game for their false understandings of the real world. If Wolvden chooses to revisist the Halloween Event next year and entirely revamp her character to create a character who is not manipulative, controlling, and abusive for Saligia, by all means make her a datable. But with her character at this point, she cannot be a datable. "But hollow! There's Faeclu!" don't worry, I address this topic here TLDR: Saligia displays incredibly abusive and toxic behavior in the Halloween Storyline. We should not be able to date an abusive character	Hollow Howls #12130

Posted 2024-11-23 11:59:25 (edited)

#1348195

Hi, welcome to my post. I'm creating this because you cannot bring your concerns about player safety and how Wolvden choses to interact with it's player base to modbox.

SALIGIA CANNOT BE A DATABLE WOLF

Don't get me wrong, I do like the character built and while I was uncomfortable in the moment while playing the storyline, I think it's a nice addition to add a proper bad guy. Someone you don't beat regardless of what you do.

But the way Saligia's character has been written blatantly pastes her as abusive. She repeatedly lies and manipulated the player character, actively gaslighting them in one scene. In one route, they have a chance to fight her in which she has absurd health making her impossible to beat. Due to this, she forces consent from the user after bullying them into submission.
In the bad endings? Once she gets what she wants, destroying the player character's world and, lore wise, any chance they had at returning it to normal, she abandoned the player character. Regardless of if you were loyal to a T or not. She does whatever she needs to get what she wants and throws the player aside like trash.
She never properly treats the user with respect. It's clearly a facade to lurer the player further into her control and lock them under her. This is proven as much by her brief slips through the story where she goes from elegant and regal to nipping the player character's nose off.

If you look at the Halloween event from a broad view, it's almost like the entire plot is if you can discover how bad she is before it's too late. An interesting parallel to unfortunate people in abusive, controlling, or toxic relationships.

I'd like to reiterate. I like how Salgia was built, a proper big bad. But she should not be romance-able. This community has a massive amount of minors and I'd eager even more than that in inexperienced people who haven't dated much of at all before. For many people Dating Sims, which the February event is arguably a dating sim, are their first exposure to an actual romance or dating. Media is more often than not our first experience with the concept of dating or romance.
If Wolvden implements an abusive character to date, you may be putting minors at risk of engaging in toxic relationships because they're mislead by this character and how she's portrayed. If you can date someone, trust someone, why would they be bad? That is usually the first thought given in any toxic relationship. Minors and young adults frequently struggle to identify when stuck in a toxic situation. If we tell them that this character who is arguably bad, is someone you can trust, we will be putting them in a bad spot for their lives outside of this game.

Abusive or toxic relationships should NEVER be romanticized. Real people are trapped in real abusive and/or toxic relationships that they would never have wanted to get into if they knew in advance. By romanticizing a relationship like this, we dismiss the danger and awful lives that are truly on the front of the line of this kind of thing.

Players here trust Wolvden to be a safe space, that is why you have an adults only board after all. They should be able to trust Wolvden to spread safe information. Players should not have to worry about some silly pixel animal game impacting their real life and real life relationships. Players should not be in a place where they can blame a game for their false understandings of the real world.

If Wolvden chooses to revisist the Halloween Event next year and entirely revamp her character to create a character who is not manipulative, controlling, and abusive for Saligia, by all means make her a datable. But with her character at this point, she cannot be a datable.

"But hollow! There's Faeclu!" don't worry, I address this topic here

TLDR: Saligia displays incredibly abusive and toxic behavior in the Halloween Storyline. We should not be able to date an abusive character

Hollow Howls
#12130

Posted 2024-11-23 13:07:30

#1348259

Support for blatantly obvious reasons.
I understand the "evil" stereotype but being used as a dateable sounds dangerous and cruel.

👑 Manawrath 👑
#43887

Posted 2024-11-23 14:17:27

#1348445

I support this 100% The moment I realized she was a terrible character was right, after I ate the meat for the event. Not long afterword's I realized I should not have, next time this event happens I will not eat the meat. I was fooled at first then later I realized I made a mistake. I saw how toxic she was, and trust Kora much more. They may both not be completly good, but I feel like Kora was lesser of the two evils of this event.

DetectivePurple
#2186

Posted 2024-11-23 15:40:10

#1348576

I didn't play much of the halloween event, but the points you've made are valid to me and what i've experienced/seen. I support

YesACreativeName🏳️‍⚧️
#46900

Posted 2024-11-23 20:01:57 (edited)

#1348780

I can agree honestly, we have some dateable characters that get some mixed opinions because of their attitude for similar reasons as well. But Saligia should stay the villian of the October event storyline, literally every other character would be totally fine as a dateable character I think.

For a brief comparison, Willa is sorta icky for her constant talk of a "big strong man" or "making a family" (for me and my personal experiences) but she isn't downright manipulative and evil, and I know some people don't like Swansea for his "I wanna be spoiled and you need to be good enough for me" vibe, but again that doesn't feel nearly equal to how Saligia has the potential to act.

Ultimately it is up to the development team, but maybe keep in mind some of her characteristics and how they translate to romance. Whether this means excluding her from the dating pool of October characters or maybe making it a version of her we "haven't met yet" with a IMMENSE tone down of her more manipulative traits.

Edit:
I feel I need to clarify after re-reading my own message, I ADORE Saligia as a villain character. She has a really fun spooky design and she is one of the best written story npcs I have seen (in my opinion). She makes the story really fun and she plays the perfect role of "if it's too good to be true, it probably is" that makes her being a villian so awesome! Love Saligia to bits 100%, but I will reiterate she should NOT be a Matchmaker dateable.

⚔️Ren⚔️ [Light's on]
#87527

Posted 2024-11-24 05:22:31 (edited)

#1349286

I didn't get very far in the October event so I don't have my own experience of how Saligia is but from what you've said and since this is a 16+ site and not an 18+ one, I will support. (Although the dating events really aren't that detailed though are they? She would just be a blank slate basically if you date her. I don't know, I never got very far into the February event either.)

Edit: I don't feel I know enough about the events to support or oppose this.

Petrichor
#129115

Posted 2024-11-24 12:26:54

#1349548

I trusted Kora so I didn't get this part of the storyline, but I wholeheartedly agree

Lettuce (NOT the Krampus)
#145987

Posted 2024-11-24 12:32:05 (edited)

#1349550

I was one of the few who voted for only Saligia in the poll, and it was only because I found her design very nice to look at and since I chose Kora's path, I barely got to see it. I also don't mind villain characters.

However, I do see your point. I myself put very little stock in the dating stuff, only doing it for currency, but it could be upsetting for the people who do. I can definitely understand why people wouldn't want a brutally manipulative and toxic datable. And yeah, the site is 16+ which still includes minors, some may be naive.

TLDR: I initially wanted Saligia as a datable wolf, but I can agree it may be a bit too toxic for a lighthearted event. Mostly supporting because the site includes people aged 16 & 17. Even though I definitely wouldn't mind having another villain dateable.

🌟PrismTheStar🌟
#48894

Posted 2024-11-25 15:55:48

#1351348

Support.

While I don't think toxic or abusive characters can never be romanticized, (love is an incredibly complicated emotion, after all,) I can see the point of not including such relationships on WD specifically. The site is 16+, not 18+, and Matchmaker dates are designed to encourage you to tolerate the NPC no matter how they treat you. Saligia is a villain who craves power, she would top the worst of who we currently have as options and we would just have to accept it for our own gain.

I wouldn't hate having her added, but it's better to leave her out of a lighthearted event like that.

Whirligig (Hiatus)
#11137

Posted 2024-11-25 18:07:30

#1351665

support :)

there are good times, places, and ways to portray abusive relationships… but i don't think a silly holiday dating sim is any of those. like the comment above says, it's a lighthearted celebration.

i'd like to see saligia's personality / lore expanded on. i'm sure the dev team could even find a respectful way to portray an abusive relationship if they put a lot of time and research (getting insight from victims) into it … but does the game need an abusive relationship? is it worth the risk of fucking up and hurting the userbase?

ecosystem [gifting!]
#49570

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