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SALIGIA CANNOT BE A DATABLE WOLF | TW: Abusive and Toxic relationship/behavior

Posted 2024-12-02 04:29:21 (edited)
#1365883
Adelova, while I believe there are some articles and other forms of literature that may educate properly about toxic relationships, most of us players don't reach to that type of content, we're mostly for entertainment. As Acari pointed out, we're exposed to entertaining content that contains toxic relationships in much greater scale that a datable NPC could provide, even legal to audience under 16.

Lorcan relates to the Coigreach during The Matchmaker because the writers could describe the plot in a romantic way. I don't think this indicates whether Saligia would remember the story but I'm certain this will have some romantic solution so I doubt any mention of seeking revenge or being brought back to life would be in any way romantic. I suppose it'd be either Saligia not remembering the player or after the Saligia path, where the NPC comes back to state that she had promised power to the lead and would be willing to do so if the lead charms her. The player would then decide whether would like to engage in this romantic relationship or take revenge to make her feel the same player did after being tricked back then. It doesn't even have to be consistent with other NPCs available in the set, that after the Saligia path we might have an opportunity to date Kora as well. But it would be fun if consistently one of these NPCs was unlocked only when we finished that Halloween event.

I have a genuine question: does this thread address to experiences of players who have engaged in or witnessed toxic relationship and wouldn't like this game to bring any trauma reminding their real experiences?
Dżanek
#24018
Posted 2024-12-02 11:46:52 (edited)
#1366853
support!!

after reading through a few of the replies it seems to me that a lot of you don't realise how easily influenced minors and young people can be, especially through the media…just because some of you don't think it will make an impact on YOU doesn't mean it won't impact some of the more vulnerable players. to be frank, i'm shocked at how some of you haven't even considered this. as someone who has been a victim of a toxic relationship, it could be triggering, not only for me but others too.

(also I don't hate Saligia, I think she's well-written)
Atlas SEMI-HIATUS
#99127
Posted 2024-12-02 14:04:19 (edited)
#1367253
Yes @ Dżanek  I experienced them when I was under 20 yoa. Anything that comes close to "normalizing" abusive interactions online raises red flags for me.

Edit...  Unsubbing fm this topic. Can't read any more justifications for including her as it's triggering.
Celtic Ravens
#31620
Posted 2024-12-02 16:20:46
#1367762
Most of you are basically stating how Saligia is in Halloween story. I do understand abusive relationships are bad but think about how it could be based on how the story is written with all possible endings. I doubt the devs would recall the Halloween story to even players that didn't participate in the Halloween story. Nor would they be putting you into a romance version of the Halloween story because that's not how matchmaker event works. You simply have small flavor text to read that either displays how much they like you or how much they dislike you.

In matchmaker your trying to please them. That's literally it. Your just giving them gifts and taking them on a date. Not really a full on relationship anyway. Just a flirty interaction because it's the February event based on Valentine's Day. The concept of Matchmaker is to just flirt with NPCs. IT'S NOT A REAL RELATIONSHIP.

But say whatever you want, your just overacting to it. How I see it is all the supporters simply dislike Saligia as a character because she's apparently abusive to the players in Halloween story. but you can continue saying I'm wrong on this if you want to.

As for the Faelcu, it was stated in the Coigreach story that Faelcu are all alike and only see mortal wolves as toys to them.
As for Lorcan, only his basic greetings flavor text vaguely mentions Coigreach but no details about the story itself. Not even the name of his pack or his mother, Sironia, is mentioned.
So you can safely assume Saligia won't mention much of the Halloween story at all.
GH Matchmaker Event Guide
It's really not that detailed for the flavor text so yeah, read up on it. I see no way of having toxic abusive relationships in matchmaker because it's just not detailed enough for that. Your just trying to impress them while they just sit their and look pretty. That's literally it. 		Dragon Desire
#26750
Posted 2024-12-02 16:31:45
#1367792
I still don't see how Saligia = Abusive relationships. There is media like movies and TV shows that can literally show an abusive relationship. Believe me, I've watched crime shows before cause my mom watches them. Saligia doesn't seem like any of those criminal characters I've seen on TV.

I'm Autistic, call me dumb for not understanding that Saligia = abusive relationships. To me, Saligia is just a character in the Halloween story and that there is possibly another side of Saligia that we don't know cause we only experienced her in the Halloween story.

I'm not saying I approve of abusive relationships, In fact I highly disapprove of it but I'm not going to assume that Saligia is a criminal that will physically or mentally abuse the player during the February event. The Devs wouldn't make her like that cause they like their players and would only do what is right for their players, which is why they make polls for everyone in the community to vote on. Wolvden devs prefer to do what the players want but still using their creativity for the storylines and characters they add to Wolvden.

To be honest, As a roleplayer and storywriter. This forum post could be considered negative to the Dev that created Saligia as a character cause assuming she is abusive in a relationship aspect might make the one that wrote the character feel bad and remove the character from Wolvden entirely. This is considered criticism at least in my opinion and views. Which is why my earlier comments hinted that you may as well hate the entire Halloween story. 		The Roaming Spirit
#27565
Posted 2024-12-02 16:44:15
#1367842
I do not hate the whole Halloween story, that was a tone of fun, even if I did not like how Saligia became close to the end. However if they did make her into a Dateable wolf, any ideas on how to help with writing good lines to give her more personality beside the toxicity she had in the Halloween event? Maybe have her Dateable form be before she became the way she did in the Halloween event. Or perhaps her Halloween self can be a corrupted form of her true self that can be shown in the datable wolves.

I am trying to come up with ideas here
DetectivePurple
#2186
Posted 2024-12-02 16:59:09
#1367895
I've already said what I feel I had to say on the topic but I keep seeing this kind of sentiment pop up,

"How I see it is all the supporters simply dislike Saligia as a character because she's apparently abusive to the players in Halloween story. but you can continue saying I'm wrong on this if you want to."


Excuse me? I LOVE Saligia and the event story! She has such a pretty design honestly, I'm sad I didn't get to see more of it. I also adore how horrible she is! Brutal villains (be it violent or manipulative) tend to be my favorites. (Depending on your path she may not outright abuse/fight your wolf, but she uses you and tricks you regardless)

I truly believe if/when she's added to the matchmaker event her character would be massively toned down (like the faelcu) but that itself raises an issue.

In Corigreach it's made clear that the Faelcu are doing bad things, even before you ever encounter them, however in the Halloween event Saligia is initially portrayed as mysterious and (maybe) helpful, she turns out to be bad, but you don't seem to know that for sure unless you follow Kora.

If/when she's added to the Feb event, I imagine a lot of newer players or those who didn't play the event would see her in more positive/neutral light. Like, oh hey! I recognize this wolf!

That could possibly change their views and choices (affording her more trust than is deserved) when it comes to the story than if they were to play without ever meeting her prior.

Of course, this argument could be used against Kora too, and well, I couldn't exactly refute it. Unless it was a Kora post-corruption, or maybe pre-corruption?

Anyway, I'd personally LIKE Saligia in the event for reasons already stated, I purposefully voted only for her on the poll. But I think the only way they could do Kora or Saligia is to do it like Lorcan, where they don't have much to do with their main character at all. I imagine they'd kind of act like Ox or Sirmiq.
🌟PrismTheStar🌟
#48894
Posted 2024-12-02 18:04:38
#1368234
I don't think the issue revolves around minors but around players who have experienced real toxic relationships, even though some started when being a minor or a young adult, though I still fail to see how a game would have encouraged such toxic relationships.

The thing is whether the presence of such players justifies denying content for the whole community including those who would look forward to seeing her unique personality among other NPCs, whether just seeing her picture and name in the list of NPCs to date can draw dreadful feelings since the best such player could do, if not going for the negative affection, is not dating this character at all.

I'd like to let you know that I don't intend to trivialize problems related to toxic relationship experiences. I just don't want such experiences to influence whether and how Saligia is written during The Matchmaker event.
Dżanek
#24018
Posted 2024-12-03 08:59:20
#1369891
I don't think there is a chance of having an actual, productive discussion to come up with solutions seeing how invalidating of relationship abuse voices this thread has become, including undermining our lived experience based on movies. Especially if caring for survivors and minors alike is seen as "denying" content to a playerbase. As much as many want to believe, media is a big piece of normalizing harmful and dangerous patterns, including the one's for personal relations. Saligia is a great villain and should remain as such and only as such. Just as Celtic Ravens I will be unsubbing this thread, for my own wellbeing.
Adelova
#140939
Posted 2024-12-04 02:36:00
#1372558
This seems to be impossible to find a common solution that would satisfy us all because our views, our experiences on real toxic relationship and our expectations for the game are different. We all are convinced to different answers to the following questions:
  • What effect does exposure to toxic relationship in games have on minors? Good, bad, none?
  • How much are we interested in dating Saligia? Is toning down okay?

Even though none of us want to cause any harm to minors or hinder gaming experience for us all, we might have a feeling that the one we disagree with violates either of these principals while our own opinion follows both, which leads to heated discussions. But even when no consensus can be found, it's worth to share our perspectives, our opinions on this matter because any input can have an impact on whether and how finally Saligia gets introduced in the upcoming event.
Dżanek
#24018
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