Show Instances of Inbreeding

"The main difference between a scry and a display on a wolves page is centrality. A wolves main page is a central part of gameplay, and therefore things displayed there should be central to gameplay. Inbreeding is not a central gameplay element, so it should not be a wolves main page. " This same argument could be applied to scrying (and I DID apply it lol).

Anyway, I don't really care where it is, as long as it can be turned on and off according to each user's tastes, then it shouldn't matter. I don't see why anyone is objecting to people having the option to easily exclude inbred wolves from their lines.

@Keycatt I was asking about how the mechanics of such a proposed feature would work, not the logic behind it ^^; I understand you wish to decentralise the proposed "possible inbreeding" ticker or come up with an alternative; I was trying to ask how you would like it to work. Scrying for pregnancy is obviously a feature of the game, but it only works on the one wolf once she is pregnant. So would an inbreeding scrier only check existing wolves? If it allowed you to check pairs, as I'm sure some would prefer, would it have any way of pulling images or names of the wolf to ensure players were not mixing up digits, or would it be akin to the current page with no double-checks? How are you conceptualising it besides "an alternative to a ticker?" That's what I was trying to express, not further discussion of page placement since you seem fairly set on your preference.

A wolf being inbred or not may not be "central to gameplay" for some players, but for NIB players, checking for inbreeding is a major part of how we play. Having the inbred counter on the family page is exactly where we would need it most, because that is where we go to check for instances of inbreeding. This wouldn't even affect players who didn't care to look at family lines, because they wouldn't see it unless they checked.

@greahound I totally agree! I think the family page is a fantastic spot for a line of text or a ticker, either at the top or the bottom of the page. I just think it's important to think through game design aspects when making suggestions or chances to the extent that you can, because a vague suggestion can be hard to work with ^^ Plus, it's a fun thought exercise to think of how one would implement the feature or alternatives to it if they were the one in charge.

In full support of an indicator on the Family page (id already be fine with one that only counts the generations shown). Would rebuke any of the paid suggestions vehemently though.

People have already made most of the points that speak for a counter. I tend to be very careful about buying wolves and making sure they're clean, but unfortunately sometimes I have attention issues and stuff can slip by. Paired with the fact that you could pretty much name your entire pack Jeff or something without limitation, Clean players could potentially have to sift through an entire family page just to make sure the 20 Jeffs on there don't share IDs.

Despite being careful I still found myself accidentally buying an inbred wolf and producing a particularily precious pup which I was then mortified about being inbred. Could be argued that that was entirely on me, sure, but a quick indicator would've definitely helped prevent that outcome, haha.

And like it was mentioned before: your inbred wolves are already inbred. They are ALREADY unappealing to clean breeders. If you don't care about IB, then you will continue to not care, despite the indicator. All this does is even the field for buyers to make an educated choice without having to spend the minutes of sleuthing (imagine if the wolf purchase market was fast - those minutes could cost you a purchase). It removes any chance of being """tricked""" (for the lack of a better term: I don't mean to imply anyone would ever do it out of malice, of course) into buying an inbred wolf when you don't want to.

support

people will play how they want. i myself am doing a sort of single player mode thats also going to be clean/NIB, because thats how i like to play. if an indicator was added on the wolfs family tree page then i might be inclined to buy from another player when it comes to setting up my next generation of wolves. til then im just gonna go with the heritageless ones from explore

also, if seeing your wolves are potentially inbred is gonna make them less appealing to you, thats your problem really. because if theyre inbred, theyre inbred. an indicator would only save time for what is honestly a HUGE amount of the players who play clean/NIB. hell, i saw some people on the first page saying that they WANT to inbreed their wolves and the indicator would be helpful to them too

it changes nothing. it harms nothing. its only beneficial. theres no reason not to add it

100% support!!!!

Support!!!!

Support! C:

Seconding the opinions that:

1) It should stay off the main page. Family Tree is fine but it shouldn’t be listed among the stats that actually affect breeding,

2) And/or it’s toggleable. It’s an ugly indicator on LD and it would be ugly here. (But at least it’s out of the way on LD)

My personal playstyle allows for inbreeding, and because I intend to play independently (without studs or TC wolves, for the most part) and towards specific goals, including stat gain, I expect to inbreed. I have personal limits (no parent/child or full sibling), but it’s still inbreeding. I understand and anticipate this will make my wolves and studs less desireable to a large section of the playerbase, but making  virtual money isn’t why I play this game.

I only really care that this optional playstyle, which avoids a trait that has zero gameplay consequences, doesn’t ugly up pages I look at on a regular basis. The Family Tree page is fine, since it’s used much more by people looking to avoid inbreeding than anyone else. The only gameplay use for it is tracking mutation carriers.