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@ the argument of "if inbreeding gets pointed out in a wolfs lineage then i wont be able to sell my inbred wolves anymore!"

i dont like the merle markings. they can look decent sure, but imo they are EVERYWHERE and all anyone cares about and i really dont vibe with them as much as everyone else does. unnecessary, but ive made it a small rule in my own pack to avoid merle as much as possible

now imagine if i tried arguing against merle markings being in the game as much as they are. would anyone take me seriously? i wouldnt expect anyone to. ultimately what sells will sell, and what doesnt, wont

another example! what if base genetics were all hidden? the information is there, but not displayed. would choosing to display the base genetics affect anything? no, it wouldnt. it would just make it convenient for those who care, and those who dont care wont have to change a thing

displaying an inbreeding indicator on a wolfs heritage page would only be beneficial for those who care. those who dont care will continue to not care

i DO like the idea of a scry feature that checks the entire heritage past the first 5 or so generations. that i could justify a SMALL sc fee for

Why.

If inbreeding has no in-game affect, why scry for it. That makes no sense to charge a fee for nothing.

at least on LD when heritages stretch back for multiple pages, the inbreeding indicator only shows the first page, not all of it

if they kept it working the same here, a one click way to check ALL of the heritage once it starts stretching that far would be really useful. i really dont know if there would be any server strain for that which i know is the reason the regular scrying has a fee, but. if it doesnt cause strain then yeah there wouldnt be a need for a fee at all

Oh, all of the heritage? Maybe i could get behind that. But immediate heritage, and subsequent pages? No. 

I'm happy you like the idea I suggested (last paragraph).

 Given that it was already like this on the sister site and how common NIB/clean breeding is there and now here I was surprised that this was one of the features left un-mirrored. I'm good with it being a toggle-able feature but I would definitely prefer it it's placement on the family tree page as a simple notification, the same way it is there: 

A tiny notification that shows the number of times up to a certain generation works well for people who aren't inbreeding and ultimately doesn't effect people who chose to.

I can't comprehend why there are players who get so up-in-arms about this...

Some people don't care about NIB vs IB vs clean vs dirty - whatever you choose to call it.

Some of us players are disgusted at the idea of breeding family members.

If you think that everyone who plays "NIB style" is just in it for the challenge, you're wrong. It doesn't matter to some of us that they're pixel wolves and have coded lineages. The idea of breeding a grandaughter to grandfather/son to mother/aunt to nephew/etc. is uncomfortable. If it doesn't bug you? Good for you, by all means. But some of us find it sick. And I guarantee you we would feel the same way even if those breeding terms didn't exist.

Some of us don't give a damn about the challenge or the monetary gains - we just want to make sure we aren't partaking in incest, even if it is just a game and there aren't any actual repercussions. People should be allowed to play their way easier, without needing to jump through hoops. There should be nothing wrong with allowing us to avoid it in an easier fashion through an OPTIONAL/TOGGLEABLE counter.

(If it wasn't clear, I support. I'm not here mentally, so sorry if my post is rambly.)

Note: I logged in just to say this, I'm going back into hiatus and won't respond if you ping me.

Agreeing with Saeginko. This addition would do nothing but help NIB players remain comfortable and give us a quality of life update we would love. It would not hurt the market, because the IB market is already hurt in the eyes of an NIB player. This option just removes extra steps, allowing NIB players to skip wolves we already would not have purchased.

I know this is an emotionally charged issue, but is it so terrible to seek a solution that works for everyone? I was initially against it because I assumed there’d be an icon or text on the wolf’s main page and I’d have to look at a big old “this wolf is inbred!” disclaimer if a wolf had a common ancestor at any level, even ten generations back. But something subtle on the family tree, especially if it’s toggable? I’m totally cool with that. Big thanks to the people posting explanations/screenshots from lioden, that helps clear up a lot of my reservations! The lioden system + a site wide toggle would be kind of ideal imo.

Personally I’d enjoy a feature at the scrying stone to input two wolf IDs and see if they have any common ancestors within five generations. (Or all generations, for the people who want to go no common ancestors ever. Maybe an option to choose between the two options? Those seem to be the two levels people breed NIB at, just five generations or every generation ever.) I wouldn’t want a “these wolves are related” pop up each time I bred though, not unless I could toggle it off.

Tl;dr I support convenience for the people who want it as long as it’s subtle & can be ignored by the people who don’t want to deal with it 

You know, a simple "NIB mode" could toggle both the counter and the inbreeding warning on. There would be no scrying or cost involved, and it would all be toggled off by default, with a little description saying that it has no effect on gameplay. Then it wouldn't affect new players, you wouldn't have to pay for it, IB players could ignore it, and NIB players could enjoy it.