Nvm ~ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@Searin Ooh, now we're talkin'! Approaching the problem from meta side, I love it.

Alhough this would help break the "anti-inbreeding monopoly" on wolf market, it would just create a few new bloodlines bloodloops of super inbred wolves, like you said. It wouldn't help the group I want to aim at the most: players who want to play casually, for fun and relaxation, who don't want to have to scour their wolves' genealogies for repeating ancestors, avoid majority of studs for being related to major lines, scour stud search for unrelated ones... You know. The whole overwhelming, exhausting shebang.

But I think you're onto something. Perhaps, and this is just a nebulous idea, perhaps pups who have the same wolf in visible genealogical tree more than once could have higher likelyhood of spontaneously becoming, upon birth, a carrier for certain mutations or markings or... traits? Like a different tail or ears? And higher amount of repeating ancestors would not make this likelier to occur. (carrier status being spontaneous and not trailing from the first occurence of inbreeding is actually realistic, there are conditions like that IRL that don't breed true because there's often some secret ingredient missing. Genetics are complicated!)

The only issue I would have with an idea that boils down to "lets give a specific mutation to an inbred wolf" is that it's excluding and punishing clean breeders who will either need to change the way they play, or accept that they will never be able to have this special feature/marking/mutation (which for a collector, is annoying).

It'd be the same as if I said "Hey, why don't we make a mutation that will ONLY show up in clean wolves." -  the part of the community that inbreeds would riot because they'd feel excluded.

The only way I'd support some sort of 'Inbred wolves have a higher chance at [insert special thing here]" is if clean wolves could also get that specific mutation/marking/whatever - and then we go right back to, inbred wolves with said feature would be worth less yet again. (Because if given the choice to buy a clean or an inbred mutant at the same price, 99% of Wolvden would choose the clean one, thus said inbred wolf will need to drop in price.) 

Inbred side is already excluded tho

the only problem i have with creating carriers is that, in a case where you're trying to encourage inbreeding, creating carriers means you can then allow breeding to other carriers, so you could, in theory, leave the family lines (which i would think you would want to discourage specifically in this case).

tbh pup market aside, when it comes to inbreeding, youre fighting peoples personal preference, so its gotta be something that is strong enough to swing people like me who sit on the edge of "ehh one way or the other". allowing carriers to breed outside their family lines only means you circle back around to something like what went down with mels/albinism,(or at least the little bit of what ive seen)  where all the OGs are related but as we learned about NBFW carriers, theres been an emphasis for the non inbreeding, hence why it would have to be something that can only happen if inbreeding has occurred gen after gen. it would defiantly need to walk a fine line. but i can't see inbreeding being something wildly accepted or even profitable (i know profits not necessarily the main gain but i know mels/albinos have a lot of this in heir bgs) unless there's something ONLY they can do, if ya get my drift.

(also im sorry, im like half asleep. so if i misunderstood my bad, im also just trying to share a though process and i really hope i sound less agressive and more just like thinking the thought through. awake enough to stay up but sleepy enough to not be entirely sure what im typing.)

editing cause i just saw gnolls comment; maybe each, both inbreeding and noninbred could have seperate traits or whatever that could be gained? like inbred wolves can have a trait for like mane A and non inbred can have a trait for mane Z?as i said, its the only thing i can think of but i also know its far from a perfect solution. it may very well be a case where no one is completely happy. 

Why not just make something that can be got by inbreeding AND clean breeding with just a higher chance of it randomly popping up in inbreeding?

"Inbred side is already excluded tho"

It isn't, though. You can play the entire game exactly the same as everyone else with the same chances as everyone else. You can get all the same markings I can, the same bases, the same stats. Hell, an inbred wolf theoretically has it easier gameplay wise because you can quite easily reach a much higher stat range (and thus be more successful in hunting and feeding your pack) by just breeding back to the highest wolf on site over and over and over again.

I've never birthed a pup above 550 stats because I clean breed. If I decided I wanted to inbreed, I could go breed 10 of my females to Sunfall and get 600 stat puppies easily. You can do this with individual stats, too. If I wanted the best stalker, who can find large trails in Glacier or Rainforest, I could breed my highest smarts/wis wolf with the highest sma/wis stud on site - producing a baby with high wis/sma that i could then breed right back to dad for *more* wisdom/smarts. In a few generations you'd easily get 150+ stats on those pups at birth. This benefits all 5 wolves in my hunting party and levels them each up at nearly twice the rate, as the bigger the prey you find the larger the exp gained by your hunting party.

As another example I encountered just this week - there is not (or was not, last I looked) a single Tombac stud who is unrelated to my breeding females. I want a Tombac, and so my options are to inbreed to him for that 2.5% chance, or to breed to a non-Tombac T3 and pray RNGsus rolls the dice for me at a less than 1% chance. Inbreeders do have it much easier, although it doesn't feel that way. No, their pups don't sell as well - but nobody's pups are selling well in this market (excluding a few top users' with the top-tier wolves for sale). But as far as clean breeding goes, it was originally made as a sort of 'challenge' mode for a reason. Almost every aspect of Wolvden is harder when you're breeding clean. 

It's one thing to want to even the playing field for breeders who inbreed, it's entirely another thing to ask for inbreeders to receive special treatment by getting special mutations and things that clean breeders can't get. It's not fair to literally remove possibilities in-game from any player. If I wanted to make a wolf say that looked like my pet dog, and floppy ears became a inbred-only mutation, I could literally never succeed in that goal no matter how hard I worked because my desire to clean breed wouldn't go away just so I could make a look-alike wolf. 

And as for the make it something gained by inbreeding *and* clean breeding, that would solve absolutely nothing. Even if inbreeding had a higher chance, the clean bred wolves with the mutation/gene/whatever would still be worth more which is the complaint here anyways. Look at Heteros - the chance for a new line hetero wolf is RIDICULOUSLY low. The chance to pass from a hetero parent is VERY good. Therefore, to buy a brand new hetero lined wolf is multiple times more expensive then a common-lined hetero wolf. The same goes with mutations currently.

It all goes back to supply, demand, and the community's preferences. If there was a brand new mutation and it was available in Clean and Inbred, and there were three identical babies born with that mutation, one inbred, one with Faelor/Skarn/etc lines, and one from NBW's, the NBW would sell first (and for the most), then the Leaderboard lines (for second highest price), and lastly the inbred one would sell. 

Inbreeding is sort of metagaming, the game doesn't recognize this, it's solely brought up by players.

I keep some of my wolves non-inbred out of respect to them, some players also practice non-inbreeding for their own reasons and this accumulates in community becoming a pragmatism. For the other wolves that I didn't care if inbred in the beginning but it changed my view once I saw how it affects market. When it comes to business, I have to adapt to the community's expectations. I require my wolves to be highly demanded and getting inbred one burns many bridges to this wolf and their descendants. I demand non-inbred wolves because I can afford them and I keep my wolves non-inbred for high value. Inbreeding is still left in open gate but I need a concrete concept.

Getting a wolf sold for decent price you need to point out factors no other wolf has. Inbred wolves are not picked if non-inbred alternatives exist. However, if your wolf is inbred and has something no one else has, you can earn out of it.