A list of Big Names

Beauregarde and  GARZA 🥀 have over 1000 pups so they should probably be added ;-;

Ikaiq (son of Hanta and Sand Dune) is also a big albino name (He is getting close to having 1,000 puppies).

🖤Ghost At Twilight🖤 is a big name in the melanism group (He has over 1,600 puppies). 

Edit: Ghost At Twilight is related to Moof.

The list is getting bigger, thanks a lot! What would you say the biggest three are? So people who don't want the full list have a short one?

Searched thru my wolves' lineages and found these wolves.

Big TIII names:

🔥 S P I T F I R E, has 1219 pups, descendant of Faelor ☄️

🤍 Pháo Hoa, has 1545 pups, descendant of Casper 👻, albino carrier so produced some binos too

Big names in general:

Kylian, has 2080 pups, descendant of ☄️Orion☄️

Toshiro ❄️, has 1058 pups, NBW

Big albino names:

Astral, has 1713 pups, selene-based, NBW

@marble: thanks! I didn't include Spitfire since I already had his dad Faelor and his son Flashfire in the list, but I added the rest.

Not here to add names, but regarding which are the biggest 3: maybe do a "biggest 3" list for melanism, albinism, and then general (not albinism/melanism). Also, maybe trace back to the original big name (eg Faelor instead of Homura, Flashfire, etc) because that original big name basically covers the rest of them.

Yeah, I wanted to have a list for specific bases, since I heard someone say "all Tombacs have this one stud somewhere in their lineage", but it's a bit inefficient for now. For albinism and melanism, we don't really have more than three name at the moment so a "big 3" seems redundent.

I did think of only listing the common ancestor, but the idea was that if your wolf is a descendant of flashfire, for example, you don't need to go back aaaaall the way to Faelor through all 16 branches, you see flashfire and you're already like "oh, a big name". Also, take Mac&Cheese for example: he's Firefly's son, so I don't really need to add him too. But if someone has a wolf related to Mor'du (Mac&Cheese's great-grandpa on the other side), since M&C is a Big Name, Mor'du becomes one too (even if he wasn't already thanks to his own numerous pups).

I dunno, there are arguments for both sides, it would indeed be more legible to do it your way.

If someone has an opinion on this too it'd be useful.

I think it makes sense to list descendants if they're independently big. For instance, Ursa/Hanta are the biggest bino names, but Casper was also a huge stud in his own right even if he hadn't been related to either of them.

Lists like these always have me conflicted. On the one hand, I like lists and organization and wolf history, and it's just fun to see a collection of big names together in one place. On the other hand, I feel bad because it's often portrayed as a negative thing, and the idea of a public blacklist/graylist seems really mean-spirited.

Imagine if you loved your stud and worked hard on designing him, training him, and advertising him. Then suddenly people start avoiding your pups like they're diseased, or yeeting them just because they came from your stud, or saying to others in chat "cute pup, shame it came from [your stud]." idk, I'd feel bad. I don't want people to feel bad about their studs, whether they're "big names" or not.

@Lionel I'm about the same way about how some people can treat big names, but I kind of like to see the list because it also gives the idea of what makes a successful stud/what aspects do people value the most. If you are looking into the stud market, looking at the big names can really help in decided what people want.

Though I will say that even though I listed Ghost at Twilight I actually wouldn't mind one of his puppies/grand-puppies as I remember when Ghost first came around and how awesome it was.

I realise that this request probably  isn’t going to be taken up, but could we -not- have this list please? I think if personally a player wants to create a list of studs the think are big, that’s fine. That’s the game for that individual person. But I’d really really caution us as a community creating a list and having it as a public one. This is because, intentionally or not, this list will stigmatise these studs and their descendants. We know from other games that this is what can happen. Look back at the posts here, the word ‘avoid’ has already been used. Unconsciously of course, but this list will becomes ‘those to avoid’. Not my own list of ‘those I want to avoid because it will tangle up my lines’ but a list that everyone will have to take into account. It starts with a helpful intention, and it’s also really interesting! But, as a public list it will have big effects on the game.

I think it’s also unfair to the players who own/have owned those studs. Peoples’ studs are being listed without their agreement. This will change the games for everyone  who has a stud listed here (and even a stud or pup descended from one of them). Personally I think this is really unfair on those players.  If a public list was made, I think any player who has a stud listed here should have the right to have their stud’s name removed if they ask. Please think about what is happening here and the effect it will have in the individual players and the whole game by making this list as a public one. It will become lore and it will have a very significant affect on the game.

I recognise several of the names here but not all - and I’ve played every single day since launch without missing one day, so I’ve been around a bit - but I don’t recognise all the names. Without asking the stud owner is it’s ok to list them, we run the risk of listing studs that only one or two people think are ‘big’. After a point bigness is too subjective.This means someone’s stud may get listed that isn’t actually as big as one that’s not been listed, just because one or two people feel it’s big. It becomes arbitrary and unfair. As there are no criteria for what ‘big’ is other than has had a lot of pups (how many is ‘lots’?) or ‘I see their name a lot’ then we risk expanding the list beyond what is reasonable. 

Whilst the list is being made by inviting comments, it is, in the end, a list made by a small section of our community that will change the game for all of the community. Unlike lists of information- for example- breeding this base to this one has a % chance of a T2 ... which is factual, and not judgemental, informative and not personally affective. Factual, non subjective lists are really helpful projects that small teams of folk have done. But this big names list is dangerous I think. Whilst on one hand I can see that a newer player could find it helpful whilst learning the game, it also becomes a list that more established players find they are having to adjust their game to, to compensate for the list. In the end, we become lazy and just go ‘oh it’s on/not on the list...’, using someone else’s judgement rather than our own as to what makes a good pup.

I realise that folk have put work into getting the list together and I’m not trying to stop anyone personally making their own list. But -please- don’t do this to the game!