NIB (aka "Clean") Breeding?

@Elliebird I'm honestly not sure? I personally don't mind if Khoshehk's definition becomes the standard for the Heirloom term but I'm not sure about anyone else who might only know about Newfluffland's definition (or lack thereof because it's very vague and was only proposed as an alternative to the term "clean", not as a specific breeding style like Khoshehk has outlined). But since Khoshehk has a thread up, their word should spread pretty quickly enough. I'll probably just stick to NIB since it's basic.

If I wolf is chased/deleted, you cannot see an ID. Not sure if/how they show up in the family tree.

There are no "big 4" wolves on LD atm, which is the basis of clean breeding, not whether or not a lion is inbred or not. Therefore, clean breeding cannot currently take hold on the game. Non-inbreeding isn't and never was interchangeable with clean.

Give it a year or two. Eventually there will be a handful of very prolific, very popular studs and maybe clean breeding can arise then. But for those of you who have some weird hang up on what I named my playstyle and what dirty breeders named their playstyle in response, I wouldn't worry about it lol

Edit: Except maybe when the bulk of LD inevitably transfers here, THEN it might be a problem.

but clean breeding on LD also referred to no inbreeding? that was the whole problem since it could mean both things?
And we will (and have) a big LD population once PA happens.

Edit: I mean right now, I know the definition changed over time

Unfortunately the collective definition has evolved beyond what was originally intended, and is now pretty synonymous with not inbreeding. Hence why we're coming up with different terms to avoid confusion.

Yeah, I feel like there are so many different ideas about NIB so I'm trying to create sub-terms for different styles of NIB. So if people want to go even deeper into the word NIB they have these options. 

No it didn't.

I coined the term Clean Breeding and it never meant "no inbreeding". The no inbreeding playstyle pre-dates clean breeding (it just wasnt popular) and was called just that: "No Inbreeding". Clean Breeding's original definition was "No Big 4" and while that was always a preference that the lions also be not inbred, it wasn't a requirement. I founded CLFL in 2017, which is also when I created Clean Breeding. It's description has been largely unchanged since then.

Anyway, staff added the incest counter and then the whole PUTP thing happened. This led to a desire for no incest and shorter lineages, respectively.

For clarification, I started this thread to specifically discuss inbreeding or not inbreeding as a playstyle. That's why I'm gravitating towards the NIB terminology. 

I never cared much if my lions were related to the "Big Four", and I'm not gonna care if my wolves are related to any of the top leaderboard players on here. But, I'll keep my more in depth person opinions on that out of here, because this isn't a Lioden thread. 

If anybody wants to talk about avoiding breeding with wolves related to top leaderboard wolves, then that's deserving of a separate thread entirely. I'm not interested in it. 

I am doing to try NIB early as I can because of the reason people are breeding to the leaderboard. Shadow, Michael Scott, Skoll, and Kubo have over 300 pups and the other leaderboard wolves are barely catching up to those pup numbers. So I do see it hard to have NIB lines as time goes. WD is its own thing so I am sticking with NIB for my clean heritage wolves.

Well, here's the thing: Avoiding leaderboard wolves and avoiding incest usually go hand in hand. That's what clean breeding and non-inbreeding got mingled up, because standard bred lions were usually also inbred and clean lions were usually not.

So, if you avoid incest you're probably going to be avoiding leaderboard wolf bloodlines too. So in essence, it's still clean breeding, even if you relabel it.