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NIB (aka "Clean") Breeding?

Posted 2020-10-09 03:57:17

We all started with unknown wolves so are wolves are already inbreed.

Adora
#746

Posted 2020-10-09 04:15:04

I couldn't care less. I hardly go into the family tree anyway. If I had the opportunity, I wouldn't be opposed to making two lines though. Doing both inbreeding and non-inbreeding. At least that would appeal to all playstyles and I could sell pups to both kinds of players.


Veila
#3199

Posted 2020-10-09 04:22:28

(I made a "Are you from Lioden?" guide and since I love the idea of replacing clean/dirty terminology I added your post to mine so people can refer to it. I hope that's okay, since I really want this to take hold!)


Sienna Snow
#402

Posted 2020-10-09 04:53:14

i want to keep my wolves heritages as clean as possible, but i also want to keep leadership of the pack within the family tree. ive been working on planning out how i want to continue each generation, and what things take priority over other things, and i think ive got it mostly figured out. itd require bringing in a new wolf with each new lead, and im still unsure if i want to just use a nbw, or attempt to buy a wolf from someone else. it would make all future generations more complicated if i did that, but breeding for markings, bases, and stats would all become a lot easier. its just a matter of if i want to have to keep track of all that, really


sandshrew
#4808

Posted 2020-10-11 12:17:54 (edited)

So I am going to start a clan/family for clean breeding. I was thinking that there could be a few different subgroups of clean breeding since everyone has different opinions of "clean" breeding. I will need help coming up with different terms/definitions of these subgroups so feel free to message me 

Elliebird
#3597

Posted 2020-10-11 12:47:53

@Elliebird- My more generic terms so far are

NIB (Non-inbred)- No instances of any inbreeding in the heritage whatsoever, no matter how far back you go

LIB (Line-bred)- Wolves who do have instances of inbreeding, but not between first degree relatives. So no mother/son, father/daughter, brother/sister pairings, for instance, but cousins would technically be fine

OCR (Outcrossed)- This is any wolf who has inbreeding in their heritage, but who's parents are unrelated/share an ancestor very far back in the family tree. This basically covers the wolves who have no instances of inbreeding on the first page

IB (Inbreeding)- This is any other kind of breeding, where there are instances of the same wolves appearing throughout the heritage

A subset of LIB and OCR is COI% breeding. This is a type of calculation real life animal breeders use to determine how likely an animal is to have copies of the same genes. Whilst there isn't a realistic genetics system in WD, I've noticed a few players using the Coefficient of Inbreeding % to decide which wolves to pair up. This calculation could also be useful for figuring out which wolves are likely to carry recessive mutations later on in the game (with a little tweaking). 

Some people may also count LIB as no cousins, so a subset of that category would be LIB (distant).

People have also suggested the term Heirloom, though I've yet to see a proper definition for that which isn't just a more complicated term for IB/LIB/OCR. If it means all wolves are related to the foundation pair, without regard for inbreeding, then that would make sense to me. It's likely you would need sub-sections for Heirloom (LIB) and Heirloom (OCR) to cover everybody.

Finally, I have my own clan and way of playing, called GR or GRC (Grounded/Grounded Challenge) similar to the proposed definition for Heirloom. It's based on world-building and lore, so my wolves have written semi-realistic bios, I don't ever breed first degree relatives, and all my lead wolves will be related to my starting pair.

Hope this helps ^^


VagueShapes
#828

Posted 2020-10-11 12:52:39

Thanks! I'll definitely look at them! 

Elliebird
#3597

Posted 2020-10-11 12:55:18

I was going to edit, because I just thought of something. If you needed a generic term for the whole chan, what about "Heritage" or "Heritage Breeders"? No matter what type of breeding you do, we all care about heritage in one way or another ^u^


VagueShapes
#828

Posted 2020-10-11 12:55:58 (edited)

Slightly off-topic, but my understanding of "heirloom" is that it refers to lineages with no use of applicators, base / nose / eye changers, etc. In other words, never using wolves that have had their appearance changed in a heritable way. At least, that's what I mean when I say I'm an heirloom breeder. 

It's not directly related to clean breeding - you could inbreed willy-nilly but as long as you stuck to non-customised wolves, you'd still be an heirloom breeder. Similarly you could clean breed using customised wolves. I happen to be both an heirloom breeder and a clean breeder, but they don't necessarily go together.

Coal
#476

Posted 2020-10-11 12:57:40

Interesting! Does other players see this as a separate thing? If so, i'll add that to the list

Elliebird
#3597

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