Same Sex Breeding Item
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Posted 2023-05-05 10:25:49
Mpreg is i think the best idea. It could work like Omegaverse. In that universe men are born either alpha, beta or omega. Alphas are the "studs", Betas are infertile (let's forget them in this case) and omegas deliver the children and have heats. The pairs are destined to meet thanks to a special bond! The core: - when you create a bond between two same sex wolves, they discover more about themselves and realize which of them is an alpha and which is an omega (random or chosen by the player?). - Coding, it would be very much like a sexchange item, I think., since the omega would actually be able to do all that a female wolf does. The only difference being with a sexchanger is that the sex on the wolf description would still be male. - Gameplay-wise, the lore would be that of an m/m pairing and the children 100% theirs, markings and all. If possibile: - You could have an alpha or omega word added after the gender. Age 1 year 8½ months (Adult) Sex Male (omega) In this way, if the mate dies and you get a second one, the second one would automaticaly be opposite to the one you already know. (in this case, the mate would become an alpha). If you haven't read any Omegaverse, try it!! |
 mALEc 🌸🐰 🌸 #121180 |
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Posted 2023-05-05 10:39:34
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 Ghost #49933 |
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Posted 2023-05-05 11:15:43
"Fanfiction fetish", I love that, ina magical world with lunar dust, electric eyes and whatever. Talking queer There era 2 possibilities: 1. Keep things "real". In this case, there's adoption. It's already a feature I have an adopted son, do you think he's less my son because he does not have my genes? Adoption should be available for all, in all the world. It is not and it's a battle to be fought. 2. Use immaginaton, magic, genetics, whatever to make a wolf-world were 2 same sex wolves can have a baby. Something similar to Omegaverse was just an idea to make same sex pairings fisically plausible and making the minmum number of variations possibile to the game. The people who "invented" and perfected that universe, did so becaue they wanted same sex human to have babies. Isn't that what the whole discussion is about? Some people were talking of mpreg, this is just a way a huge group of people who have written about it for years went about the issue. Let me quote your first post: ... let them breed would be great both for practical reasons (what would their babies look like!) and lore reasons. ... a magical item in the same vein as the sex changer -... breeding of same sex pairings. This item would only be usable by same sex pair bonds. Now, apart from the name Omegaverse which you obviously hate, can you tell me what is so different? I think it might be the inner body changes , but that's the only way to have kids. Or is a stork more plausible. Another thing: why do you think I read this thread in the first place? Answer: because I liked the idea of there being equal opportunities , at least in a fantasy world, where queer wolves could have pups with their DNA. Overall: you don't have to like the idea, but there's no need to be rude. |
mALEc 🌸🐰 🌸 #121180 |
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Posted 2023-05-05 11:22:23
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 Lionel #34199 |
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Posted 2023-05-05 12:13:45
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Readytest #120513 |
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Posted 2023-05-05 12:14:59
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Readytest #120513 |
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Posted 2023-05-05 12:16:52 (edited)
honestly, I'm not 100% opposed to the idea of one member of the pair just magically becoming pregnant without any real justification. I think discussion of something like a surrogate/nursing female or a stork delivery came up just to give more interesting lore. personally I think the stork idea is cute! everything that had been previously discussed (which, as you mentioned, you hadn't actually read) agreed that any puppies from a same-sex couple should have their parents' DNA! that's the whole point here! as stated many, many times, this is a magical fantasy world. there are plenty of ways to work in puppies having same-sex parents without............ literal mpreg. as for the 'is adoption not good enough' point, please read the rest of the thread! ETA: I also think that................... the creators of wolvden knew exactly what they were getting into when making a game based on wolves. if they wanted to incorporate an o/b/a dynamic they would have. |
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Posted 2023-05-05 12:28:09 (edited)
@Readytest – That would genuinely have to be a separate suggestion thread, as it's not really covering what we're specifically talking about here (same-sex breeding item). Have at it, though! @mALEc - Alright I guess we'll get into this! I want to start by saying that I'm not here to "yuck your yum", as they say. I truly do not care that you enjoy omegaverse, and I'm going to keep my personal feelings about omegaverse and a/b/o as concepts out of this. I would also like to say that I'm not fully opposed to the male wolf just being pregnant as a concept for this item, however many of the people who have commented on this forum Are opposed to it, because it would be too far out of the realm of possibility for them. I think we came up with a good compromise with the surrogate idea, but by all means suggest mpreg to your heart's content. So, getting into the nitty gritty here. Firstly, omegaverse is undeniably an erotic and fetish genre. It was created as a fetish genre, and continues to be widely known as a fetish genre. You are free to enjoy it, but people are going to have a negative reaction to hearing about it, just like if you talked about how wolvden should implement vore. Omegaverse as a concept was, historically, created from the Supernatural fandom because people thought it would be hot if their favorite cis male characters were able to mate like wolves, and for the more "femme" one to get pregnant. Again, fine if you like it and the works carry meaning to you, but those are its origins. That out of the way, let's get into my issues with your idea. Firstly, it's only focusing on gay male couples. Not that big of a deal but it definitely irked me. Secondly, separating the male wolves out into "alphas" (male-male) and "omegas" (female-male) creates Another gender binary. It's like going up to a gay couple and asking "which one of you is the girl in the relationship?" The entire point is that they're both men. Neither one is the female, and neither one of their organs should have to be shifted to Make them female. That's both homophobic and transphobic, and having one of your male wolves be assigned "omega" by the game and then functionally work as a female wolf, with heats and all, is just kind of insulting. You further this additional binary by suggesting that the wolf's new, extra sex, be added after their normal one. The male "omegas" aren't Really male, they're just female wolves that say they're male, see they have the "omega" mark. Feels very icky and transphobic. It's also exclusive of bisexual wolves. Say I have a male wolf that's in a pairbond with another male wolf, they have puppies, and I break the pairbond. I want that wolf to be paired with a female but Oh No! my wolf was an omega and is functionally a "female" wolf. They can't have puppies. In response to your point about adoption, this is a bad faith argument and I think you know it. I don't want to repeat myself, so you can find my answer to this particular "are you saying adopted kids aren't real kids??" question here under bullet point #5 Ultimately Hawkins is right – I think that one member of the pairbond just Becoming pregnant with no justification is totally fine, and everything else is just lore snippets. But you can't come here and tell me that omegaverse (and mpreg, by name) isn't a fetish thing, because it definitely is. |
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Posted 2023-05-05 14:44:48
Please continue the list of insults. What I do want to say - and it's the last of this, I'm leaving the chat before the game is ruined altogether - is that whatever point of view anyone has , being insulting is not the way to go about it, and the way/tone you ansered, saying "get the heck out of here", made me feel really really bad and I wrote the reply with my hands still trembling from stress. (now too) I read some omegaverse, not much, and it was all fluff. Lucky? Maybe. The first Mpreg stuff I read I didn't like the idea of, but the love stories are cute and I got used to it. The funny thing is that that universe in all about a society that sees omegas as weaker while in most sories I read they fight for their right to be considered as strong as the alphas - which is a battle many queer people/comunities go through - and are actually the strongest of the two, so I don't get the phobic part at all. But actually, I don't even know why I should have to defend myself. And no, the point about adoption is not "bad faith", thank you. When I read the first post saying: yes all good with adoption but can I have a pup with my DNA, I felt a little sick. Do you have an idea of how many people told me things like: yes, you love him but you'll never know what having "your" kid feels like?" It f***ing hurts. Still, I try (without success) to ignore them and in this case tried to find a solution for your problem instead of mulling on how that line of thinking is the oppostie of "an adopted son is a real son (or daughter) . The solution i came up with, you don't have to like, but what you should get is that while I was only trying to figure out a way to help the person who wrote hurful things get what they wanted, you went out of your way to be be ... I can't even think of the right word here. other odds and ends: I did not "vote" surrogate - and by any means, it's fine too, I'm perfectly fine with adoption so half the dna is great - simply because you wanted the DNA of both parents and from what I know (but I might be wrong), when dealing with same sex partners, a surrogate mother grows a baby made from the sperm or egg of one of the parents-to-be (or sometimes neither) and the egg or sperm of someone else who is not the other parent. Anothere thing: The way you wrote it, implied that all kink is digusting. Fine by me, but for anyone who is into "kinky stuff" (and just what is kinky and what is not?), hearing kink used as an insult is "kinkophobic". As a last thing, bisexual wolves would have no problem since the outer anatomy of the male does not change, nor their ability to produce sperm and they would have no problem in impregnating a female wolf. I did think of f/f but didn't think it was to case to explain the various hypothetical sexual acts one could come up with that could bring to inserting some sort of liquid A into slot B. I was only dealing with the physical inability of a male wolf to carry pups, not how to get sperm and ovum in there, and in f/f both the parents have the right organs to carry one. So, if you want, add: "For carrying pups, bisexual and f/f pairs work fine" at the bottom of the first post, please do. Now, I'll go back to my non-stressful, non-painful and non-insulting, hunting and exploring. |
mALEc 🌸🐰 🌸 #121180 |
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Posted 2023-05-05 14:59:48
Regardless, I hope you can take a breath and have a better day/night/whatever time it is for you. No conversation is worth getting so upset about, especially not one regarding a silly online wolf game! |
Ghost #49933 |