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Same Sex Breeding Item

Posted 2023-05-23 18:14:34
#1020148
I support! :]  I'm one of the players that aim to have an all-female dynasty (not really for lore reasons, I just think it's fun this way) and I would love it if I could look at the lineage and only see females. It would also be quite funny. And while I type this out I realize how much work it would be to get to that point, especially if you're trying to avoid inbreeding and not only use NBW's ueueue.

And if anyone still thinks something like this can be exploited by players, op already said that they intended this to only be for pair bonds. So if you think someone is going to create a pair bond, have the pups, and then disband them only to put them in another pair bond for stat pups,,,, it takes 30 RO's to create a new pair bond. A whole IRL MONTH. That will encourage players to actually think about who they're pairing and making it count. So unless anyone is that dedicated to building stats then I doubt anyone would be exploiting this feature anytime soon lmao.

I like the idea of wet nurse wolves, it can be a sub-role given to female pupsitters that have already been bred before I think. Just a little suggestion. And the coigerch idea is also good for players like me that sell our souls in the TC or raffle hub for GC.

The idea of simply unlocking that feature for free is also a good idea because if you don't have to pay to breed two opposite-sex wolves that you already own, why should you have to pay for same-sex wolves?/hj    It could just be the same price as scrying or smthn idk, the chances of the wolf receiving the pup can be like the chances of regular wolves getting pregnant or something but then the chances of opposite-sex wolves are based on fertility and this is just gona make everything hella complicated. you really shouldn't be reading this paragraph, it's just a bunch of ludicrous and WILL complicate things but if you made it this far, thanks for listening to the random garbage that's in my head.

Also, I read through all 11 pages and saw the people in between the texts saying they didn't read the discussion and then saying things that completely disregard the original idea is just- why? Please listen to the discussion before inserting your ideas.

Case in point: I think this is a wonderful idea <3
Juicy
#42041
Posted 2023-08-11 15:32:10
#1051809
Call it like a magical stork or something! They may not mate but a stork will bring them a baby! 		Daewnie
#69937
Posted 2023-08-14 01:50:23
#1052627
I absolutely support this, I'm left with this dilemma right now, actually. My future lead is lesbian, her mate will be another female, and... that hurts me that they can't have biological kids without her mate needing to become a male for it to happen, on top of that, I would never be able to change her back to a female if I did do that, so I'm left with a really frustrating situation... I have to disagree though, I don't think it should be an item you have to rebuy every time you need it, but, a permanent feature tied to your account that you only have to pay for once. Maybe pay like 40 or 60GC to unlock a special cave or alcove that has a magical spring or something? I feel like needing to repurchase an item every time would put too much strain on people, something that costs a lot, but only needs to be paid for once, might work out better for a lot of people.
༺Fantina༻ (Hiatus)
#3052
Posted 2023-08-14 03:44:56
#1052641
I'm concerned primarily with how this would affect the appearance family trees, which exist to track breeding information. As things are right now, the nodes of a wolf's lineage are sexed, and organized by sex. This is practical, since generally the first thing to look for in a tree is big-name studs, which contribute more significantly to the gene pool than any females.  Would removing sex disorganize the tree or make it more difficult to read? And if sex was kept, how would that look; would the same-sex breeding be marked differently? I assume at the birth rollover, one parent is permanently stored in the pup's data as M and the other as F, which is why sex change cannot be performed after a wolf has been bred. Personally, I would be disappointed if sex was removed from the family history, as it's a very necessary part of real-life pedigrees, and would be essential if a sex-linked trait or mutation was introduced at some point.
I feel that removing sex from the family history page (or adding complications) would be detrimental without any benefit to anyone not interested in using the feature.  I don't roleplay or what-have-you so I would personally ignore the feature itself (like I ignore instant delivery), but if it affects family history pages, I would have to oppose.  If this is about roleplay, and not getting around game mechanics re: sex ratios/gene pool contribution, I feel that a pronoun change would be less disruptive to other players while achieving the same effect.

I feel it's necessary to mention I am a homosexual

Side note: I don't really see where the argument for this happening IRL is coming from. There is no human precedent for genetic same-sex reproduction as far as I'm aware. Surrogacy and IVF happen, and are socially considered to be biological children of both parents, but a pedigree would not reflect this, as half the genetic information is from an opposite-sex donor (Not including intersex conditions here, as they do not occur on Wolvden). 		chiafreak
#37172
Posted 2023-08-14 10:26:29 (edited)
#1052740


Not sure why something like this would be game-breakingly confusing (assume if the same name is listed twice it's a different wolf lol I made this in 2 minutes on snapchat)

Also just for everyone - your personal sexual orientation isn't exactly relevant to the conversation, so don't feel the need to out yourself. All that matters is the content of your argument.


Edit: Thank you everyone for your support!! and I think the idea of it being a one time only purchase, like pup stages, is a really good one
Ghost
#49933
Posted 2023-08-20 13:16:50
#1055252
im pretty indifferent to this personally, but i do support since i see a need for it. i'd only want for it to it be balanced in the end, of course

my one idea for this would be the item being a lunar shop item (since those are monthly events) and the lunar event is already pretty mystical and seems to celebrate life and death. i had the idea of there being an NPC that you could take your pair to for specialized breeding & you'd chose which wolf acts as the stud and which the pup bearer (since, realistically, f/f and m/m human couples can bear and have children with one another), but that would probably interfere with heat cycles - but also, males don't have heat cycles though i imagine breeding them would put them on a cooldown of some sort...

it could also be a year round npc, though i think having a lunar species npc would be suitable. idk if they can survive in the 'normal' world outside of lunar week though. still learning the lore

i dunno, but i hope the team can come up with an idea to keep it fair and also inclusive for same sex and/or gender breeding 		muk
#5348
Posted 2023-10-04 15:46:02 (edited)
#1074197
Before we got adoption, they asked us how we would like it to be handled and we all came up with a lot of great ideas that were fun, new thinking, realistic (finding abandoned "chased" pups in the woods for example) etc. When adoption then came to be, it seems to have been done in the most simple way possible; they took inspiration from a thing they already had in lioden and made a bear take care of wolf pups because the term "mama bear" is a thing.
When it comes down to it, they made adoption because we all wanted same sex couples to be able to have pups together, not in order to collect rare pups cheaply, so I don't think this suggestion will ever be considered because that's what adoption was made for. Imo they should update adoption so that the pups lineage is more involved with the adoptive parents, but of course they can't do that because it will affect other areas of the game. To me the adoption aspect is nearly useless because the pups aren't really on the family tree anyway and it all has no bearing on your actual wolves, they might as well just have told us "just buy pups in tc and pretend they're adopted".
It would be extremely cool if we got those adoption ideas realised but in the form of this instead, like finding lost puppies in an event (the november event maybe?) or something
⌘Tallbarr⌘
#29379
Posted 2023-10-16 12:48:13
#1079531
the problem with the adoption idea, is that they STILL aren't biological, and thus it still isn't the point.
Vampyre Lamb ⚢
#53713
Posted 2023-10-16 14:13:22 (edited)
#1079568
I support this!

No core features are being changed; in the end, two wolves are bred and one wolf in the pack gets the pregnancy status.

I feel that only three changes *must* be made:
1) an item or subscription to allow same-sex pairbonds to breed;
2) a simple GUI to select which wolf gets the pregnancy status (for same-sex breedings only); and
3) changing the pedigree to say "family tree 1" and "family tree 2." (see spoiler)

So nothing is changed for players who don't use this feature, and players who do are happy.

Original lineage:


and if the Baiwar Duniya was female and Jane was male:

al80798
#119040
Posted 2023-11-06 14:53:07
#1089207
Given how the site has developed, especially how many ways breeding has become more accessible and customizable, I think this would be a good feature. It might get me to make same-sex couples a bit more common in my pack if they could sometimes have biological pups!

I do think it should be balanced by costing GB or being an event item/feature, though. Because if it's too cheap or easy to get, it'd functionally replace the sex-changer for breeding projects.
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#8638
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