Same Sex Breeding Item
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Posted 2022-06-03 11:06:28 (edited)
Also @Derpy - I do care about stats and I do breed for stats. Like I said, we just have a difference of opinion in regard to the game mechanics, but that difference of opinion isn't even relevant to this suggestion! |
 Ghost #49933 |
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Posted 2022-06-04 21:59:17
people complain about it being unrealistic, but isn't it just means we have a lot more room for creativity? i've read through the entirety of discussion and i think it's fantastic so far, thanks to op and few other people for the effort <3 |
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Posted 2022-06-09 01:24:04
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 ☾• Ace •☽ #70740 |
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Posted 2022-06-11 11:36:05 (edited)
The item would be a crystal that the pair can 'wish upon' to have puppies. A bit of research into the world of crystals and their meanings shows a lot of options that relate to love, pregnancy, fertility, etc. I feel like Celestite would fit the role best, though. Celestite is said to "connect you with your guardian angel and channels their healing energies when you're trying to get pregnant." other sources say it's "strongly connected to divine energy and cosmic supernatural forces. As the result, this gem is best used for pursuing spiritual strength." That being said, the pups would be a gift from the spirits that recognize the pair's love for each other and deep desires to be able to bear pups. The description could be something about its faint hum and shimmer making wolves feel warm and comfortable as though they're puppies again - they're close to their spirits. Perhaps wishing to it will bring them that joy of puppies (terrible, I know) After using the item, to account for pregnancy time and keep it fair, it can take the same amount of days as pregnancy for the puppies to be delivered. Upon rolling over after the period you get a message in your pup arrival saying something along the lines of "Pair's wishes have been granted and [nursing female in pair or chosen surrogate] awoke to find # of pups outside their den this morning" These pups, while not being born from the parents because magic WILL still take after their appearance and, perhaps, stat-wise. I'm debating whether carried genes would be taken into account, however. |
 Lily (GH!) #3016 |
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Posted 2022-06-11 15:26:54 (edited)
I don't believe spirits are currently a part of wolvden lore! Are you thinking of this being tied to the Lunar event? I personally feel that the stats and genes should all be carried over along with the markings. I would be uncomfortable with these breedings being "lesser" in any way than standard breedings, especially because this would probably be a paid item! Edit: Also, while talking about lore is super fun, none of the other special items have any! The description for the jellyfish is "Makes your wolf immortal" the aging crystal is "Ages up your pup". So, again while a great conversation topic, I don't know if the item necessary Needs lore imo |
Ghost #49933 |
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Posted 2022-06-11 15:39:33 (edited)
I also love the surrogate mother and chosen female to nurse them idea! When I wrote that I was getting Bronagh vibes, tbh. But that's probably because she's the only spirit we have in lore so far and she happens to be related to pups. Though I don't think tying the item to Coigreavh because of that one passing thought is right, lol. I haven't really thought about how it would be obtained, though I think it for sure needs to be a year-round item no matter what it is. And that edit is totally true! In that case it'd probably be easier to have the item description be along the line of 'Used to obtain pups from a same sex pairbond'. It's probably better that way, actually since it fully explains what the item does so no confusion. |
Lily (GH!) #3016 |
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Posted 2022-06-11 16:01:02 (edited)
I think fable was the wrong word to use (I'm rushing to reply between running around irl doing things, this conversation is just Fun hehe) - I've had a similar experience with stork & babies stories, but they're also culturally tied to children where I am. Lots of storks on pregnancy stuff and newborn decorations, etc, so that's what I'm coming at this from! c: I definitely get your interpretation, though. Tbh Coigreach was so long ago that I completely forgot about the actual content of it. You make such a good point and consider.... what if this item was able to be purchased with SQ instead of GC? A gift from Bronagh to parents who can't concieve on their own, a gift of joy from being "reunited" with her own pups, maybe? It might be kind of neat for it to be an event item, especially if it was on the cheaper side so people could stock up. Or - because I agree that it would be better as a year round item - what if it was just introduced through the event and then stay available for the rest of the year? I think the idea of Bronagh being included in this somehow is really neat because she is very tied to puppies And supernatural events in wolvden lore. I really like the idea of having lore around it, but a clear item description is probably for the best! It could always have a bit of lore when you actually use the item, too, like the sage items. The edit was just something I noticed! |
Ghost #49933 |
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Posted 2022-06-11 16:22:37
I never got to meet Bronagh, but from what I've read here she sounds very interesting! Perhaps Bronagh and an NPC like the Fertility snake are business partners or something, and the same-sex breeding item could be purchased there? (I don't really know what a fair amount for an item like this would be, though, I do hope it would be purchasable with SC rather than GC... Paying various amounts of GC every time I wanna breed my wlwolves seems extraneous lol) Though, I would be rather bummed if a same-sex pregnancy were any different functionally than a opposite-sex pregnancy... (Apart from surrogacy of course, that would be an amazing mechanic. Maybe infertile wolves and energy/non-nested-reliant roles such as hunters and scouts could benefit from this too!) |
 ᴄᴜʀɪᴏ #31030 |
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Posted 2022-06-12 04:53:38
(I am so sorry if I mistyped your name, I have bad vision and can't tell if it's corio, cario, or curio.) I really think this should be an item available year-round. I can breed every other wolf any year so why would that not be true of my gay couples? This way, there would be a finite supply of these items, and while that would make them valuable, it would also mean that a lot of people would go without because they couldn't make it for a specific event. That's... no. I'm sorry, I'm really not okay with making it additionally harder for LGBTQ+ pairings to exist through added hoops for the players to jump through. If I can buy sex changers, juniper berries, elk hearts, and other fertility items with SC/GC, I should be able to buy this with SC/GC too. Gay folk have enough hoops to jump through in real life, I don't need added ones implemented in the games I play. |
 Flower #3196 |
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Posted 2022-06-12 08:26:18
As a general statement (not regarding the item being only available through an event, which I agree wouldn't be Ideal), I really think we'll have to concede certain points if we want this feature to actually happen. In a perfect world I think this concept would work similarly to BeastOfTheyRoad's suggestion on the second page - the wolves would just visit Herbert or the Fertility snake and be able to breed for free. Unfortunately this Is different from a traditional breeding, whether we like it or not, and there are other factors we have to take into account. I'd rather be able to breed my wlwolves (@[gayer] 𝕔 𝕦 𝕣 𝕚 𝕠 🌈 I'm stealing this phrase from you I ADORE IT hehe) with some hoops I have to jump through than not be able to do it at all, personally. Obviously this is just a personal preference, though *shrug* I definitely think the breedings should, once they happen, act exactly the same as traditional breedings in regards to genetics and functionality. Anything else would be unfair, unrealistic, and tbh homophobic. But we do have to think about the other mechanics of the game and work around them to keep things fair & balanced. @[gayer] 𝕔 𝕦 𝕣 𝕚 𝕠 🌈 - Please don't apologize for popping in!! It's so fun to have more people participate in this conversation with us c: Bronagh is more the vengeful spirit type, as opposed to the business partner type, though that's a super cute idea. I'd also really prefer for it to be a SC fee, if any, but we do need to think about working around the sex changer item and not rendering that obsolete. I'm worried it may have to be the same price. I LOVE your idea of infertile wolves being able to benefit from this, too! I think that's really fantastic and I absolutely hadn't considered it! What if the item was available year-round from the Grove for ~3GC, but during the Coigreach event you could buy them for SQ (a small amount - nothing that would go over 3GC in value, and preferably much less)? That way if someone doesn't have a way to get GC they could wait for the Coigreach event and get them for a different, not irl, currency. That was the main benefit I was thinking of for this item to be tied to events, anyways. People would absolutely resell them for SC, too. It would make them more available and tbh I'm just in love with the idea of Bronagh being involved somehow. |
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