Should Merle markings be Tier 7 or Tier 2 ?

Should Merle markings be Tier 7 or Tier 2 ?
Posted 2022-07-12 12:54:02 #793939 So, I'm not sure about everyone, but personally I like that we can now see marking tiers; it brings consistency to the game. Theres just one thing I thought was odd and wanted to know what others thought. (I don't have any strong feelings either way, just thought it was interesting). Why is Merle & Merle Patches considered to be "Tier 2: Raffle", instead of "Tier 7: Random Marking Applicator"? As in, it originally came from a Raffle Stud and not an RMA... which is wrong. The first stud to have a Merle marking was Otosa, the 2nd stud ever, but going back to the Community News post (the very 1st one too), it was not stated and only says that "His new special attributes are Smoke eyes and the Black Wings marking". Also, since this time, it has never been stated when and if a stud has a Merle marking. And going back to the 1st Community News post, clarifications about Raffle studs were made such as "The purpose of raffle studs is to release new, exclusive attributes into the game. Currently we only have raffle-exclusive eye colours and markings, though this may expand in the future" and "New markings released on raffle studs cannot be applied using Random Marking Applicators or Total Shuffles until the raffle stud is drawn and players are able to start redeeming their breedings with him, we will be sure to mention when a certain marking can start being applied!" I'd like to mention that out of the current 58 Raffle Studs, 20 have had a Merle marking. (21 w/ any Panda, 28 w/ any Wings, 12 w/ Lupos, & 7 w/ Cougar). But I have a wolf in my Dynasty, 雲々海 Momoka, that was created right before Otosa, that has a Merle marking. 雲々海 Momoka died on 2021-12-18 and had lived for 7 years 8½ months, which is 185 rollovers or 185 days before she died meaning she was created on 2021-06-16. (sorry if its off, when looking at your own Dynasty wolves, you're unable to see when they were created but you can see it in other players Dynasties) Otosa was created on 2021-06-25. Also I forgot to mention that she got her Merle marking from her grandparent, Winter, who was created 2020-09-25. Another note, Public Launch was 2020-10-19, meaning Winter was created during Early Access. Having played during EA myself, I know that the Merle marking was considerably more desirable to some than the Inuit Unders and Tamaskan Unders, resulting in it being "less valuable" than the other two in the long run. Well I'm sure Merle is still more common than the other two, just doing a search for any studs with Inuit or Tamaskan Unders gives you about 4 pages while Merle gives you 12 pages. But for how much longer?? I mean, when I myself have two Tamaskan markings and then who can beat my favorite "unders dog", Sakaar, can you still say Merle is "less valuable" / "more common"? The fact of the matter is, it just struck me as odd that Merle is now considered a Raffle Stud "exclusive" vs saying where it originally came from, where most people get it from, and even go to get it. From RMAs. Also, not saying that the current raffle stud has a specific Merle marking makes it seem like maybe that's not a trait that people want to mate with them for, like how the stud exclusive eyes and other markings like Wings and Panda are. Not to mention the purpose of the Raffle studs is to release new and exclusive markings. With the amount of studs that have had a Merle marking, it would seem that it would be Tier 2, but for anyone who's been playing since EA we all know "what happened" but for new players now it would seem to have always been Tier 2. Again, I don't really have a strong option on whether it should be Tier 2 or Tier 7, but if were going to start calling it Tier 2 shouldn't it be treated as such? Also, any player can go find out that Merle was not originally a stud exclusive marking. Is that weird? What do you think? Should Merle be changed to Tier 7? Or could we simply just state when a Raffle stud has a Merle marking so to make it clearer? Also, would making Merle Tier 7 change how much a wolf is worth? How many people use any of the RMA "exclusive" markings as selling points? To make this easy, Support if you think Merle should be changed to Tier 7: RMA Oppose if you think it should stay the same, Tier 2: Raffle Thank you for reading, I'm really interested to see what you think and to the owners, excuse me for using/linking your wolves	❀･愛》 JuneJuniper《花･❀ #892

Posted 2022-07-12 12:54:02

#793939

So, I'm not sure about everyone, but personally I like that we can now see marking tiers; it brings consistency to the game. Theres just one thing I thought was odd and wanted to know what others thought. (I don't have any strong feelings either way, just thought it was interesting).

Why is Merle & Merle Patches considered to be "Tier 2: Raffle", instead of "Tier 7: Random Marking Applicator"? As in, it originally came from a Raffle Stud and not an RMA... which is wrong.

The first stud to have a Merle marking was Otosa, the 2nd stud ever, but going back to the Community News post (the very 1st one too), it was not stated and only says that "His new special attributes are Smoke eyes and the Black Wings marking". Also, since this time, it has never been stated when and if a stud has a Merle marking. And going back to the 1st Community News post, clarifications about Raffle studs were made such as "The purpose of raffle studs is to release new, exclusive attributes into the game. Currently we only have raffle-exclusive eye colours and markings, though this may expand in the future" and "New markings released on raffle studs cannot be applied using Random Marking Applicators or Total Shuffles until the raffle stud is drawn and players are able to start redeeming their breedings with him, we will be sure to mention when a certain marking can start being applied!" I'd like to mention that out of the current 58 Raffle Studs, 20 have had a Merle marking. (21 w/ any Panda, 28 w/ any Wings, 12 w/ Lupos, & 7 w/ Cougar).

But I have a wolf in my Dynasty, 雲々海 Momoka, that was created right before Otosa, that has a Merle marking. 雲々海 Momoka died on 2021-12-18 and had lived for 7 years 8½ months, which is 185 rollovers or 185 days before she died meaning she was created on 2021-06-16. (sorry if its off, when looking at your own Dynasty wolves, you're unable to see when they were created but you can see it in other players Dynasties) Otosa was created on 2021-06-25. Also I forgot to mention that she got her Merle marking from her grandparent, Winter, who was created 2020-09-25.

Another note, Public Launch was 2020-10-19, meaning Winter was created during Early Access. Having played during EA myself, I know that the Merle marking was considerably more desirable to some than the Inuit Unders and Tamaskan Unders, resulting in it being "less valuable" than the other two in the long run. Well I'm sure Merle is still more common than the other two, just doing a search for any studs with Inuit or Tamaskan Unders gives you about 4 pages while Merle gives you 12 pages. But for how much longer?? I mean, when I myself have two Tamaskan markings and then who can beat my favorite "unders dog", Sakaar, can you still say Merle is "less valuable" / "more common"?

The fact of the matter is, it just struck me as odd that Merle is now considered a Raffle Stud "exclusive" vs saying where it originally came from, where most people get it from, and even go to get it. From RMAs.

Also, not saying that the current raffle stud has a specific Merle marking makes it seem like maybe that's not a trait that people want to mate with them for, like how the stud exclusive eyes and other markings like Wings and Panda are. Not to mention the purpose of the Raffle studs is to release new and exclusive markings. With the amount of studs that have had a Merle marking, it would seem that it would be Tier 2, but for anyone who's been playing since EA we all know "what happened" but for new players now it would seem to have always been Tier 2. Again, I don't really have a strong option on whether it should be Tier 2 or Tier 7, but if were going to start calling it Tier 2 shouldn't it be treated as such? Also, any player can go find out that Merle was not originally a stud exclusive marking. Is that weird?

What do you think?

Should Merle be changed to Tier 7? Or could we simply just state when a Raffle stud has a Merle marking so to make it clearer?

Also, would making Merle Tier 7 change how much a wolf is worth? How many people use any of the RMA "exclusive" markings as selling points?

To make this easy,
Support if you think Merle should be
changed to Tier 7: RMA

Oppose if you think it should stay the same,
Tier 2: Raffle

Thank you for reading, I'm really interested to see what you think and to the owners, excuse me for using/linking your wolves

❀･愛》 JuneJuniper《花･❀
#892

Posted 2022-07-13 18:33:33

#794495

Yeah. We don't consider every other marking that ends up on a raffle stud a Raffle Marking. Merle was introduced in EA as available only through RMA's. It's cool that they added it to raffle wolves too, but it's a RMA marking.

Slothie
#2938

Posted 2022-08-04 11:12:44 (edited)

#810428

If you take a look at the marking tier information in the grouse guide, then it's actually listed correctly as T2. Because it is a marking that is Rare for RMA to throw. that's the best I've found to explain why it is the way it is.

T0 - wild/common
T1 - customizer, random, and marking applicator
T2 - Raffle studs and rare RMA markings
T3 - events
T4 - empty
T5 - empty
T6 - combos and Diviations (when two colors create another or when one marking morphs i.e. auburn and heavy shepherd)
T7 - RMA
T8 - Special NBW

Quiet Voices
#1558

Posted 2022-08-04 12:13:51

#810459

But the grouse house guide isn't canon. Yes they do their best to guide us and help us, but that isn't what the marking tiers actually say from the website. When you hover over the ?, it says

0 - Common
1 - Grove
2 - Raffle
3 - Event
4 - ?
5 - ?
6 - Breeding
7 - RMA
8 - NBW

It seems like the grouse guide has ADDED that to slot 2 to compensate for the fact that merle is listed as a tier 2 marking. It isn't actually fact that it's part of 2, as it only lists Raffle.

Slothie
#2938

Posted 2022-08-05 20:16:01

#811431

Oooh

we have our "first, Official" Merle stud in our most recent News post! Wohoo

Did this make anyone want to stud with them more / less??

❀･愛》 JuneJuniper《花･❀
#892

Posted 2022-08-05 20:31:57

#811445

Right. But White Toes is a Tier 1 Marking. Just because a marking is used on a raffle stud, doesn't mean it's reclassified to a raffle marking? It's very confusing because the only raffle markings are wings, panda, and another I can't remember - but not merle.

Merle was introduced as an RMA gene. It should be #7

Slothie
#2938

Posted 2022-08-05 23:31:11

#811524

True, it's very confusing ~exactly why I made this haha And I think I say it somewhere above, but yes all current stud markings not including Merle are : Lupos, Wings, Panda, & Cougar

And I agree, it was introduced as such so why did we change it?? But I am glad that if thats the route we're taking, it's at least getting recognized as a stud "exclusive" marking like the rest …. even if it didn't start out that way …. Which is confusing since once a "new" stud marking is released, like Cougar recently, then it goes to RMAs …. and now Inuit and Tamaskan are alone in the RMA exclusive category as well … weird and confusing but

I make post, we discuss, meh

❀･愛》 JuneJuniper《花･❀
#892

Posted 2022-08-06 04:14:05

#811582

It feels like a bug. Has anyone reported it as a bug? Especially if inuit ans tamaskan are rma

Slothie
#2938

Posted 2022-08-06 09:03:08

#811648

I don't think it's a bug but you got me thinking so I went back through the News posts and I can't find anywhere it was stated that Merle was being changed from Tier 7 to Tier 2.
I still feel like there was a post where they said something but I can't find it…
This Development update is the one where "Visible Marking Tiers" was introduced, and you can see in the picture that the wolf has Merle and it's already considered Tier 2.

When did it change?? Before this Dev update I thought it was just the community that considered Merle a lower Tier based on the market value ….

❀･愛》 JuneJuniper《花･❀
#892

Posted 2022-08-06 09:05:02

#811649

It was introduced as an rma marking bug it was already in the game in pre access so it wouldn't have been announced. Raffle markings didn't come out for at least a yearish

Slothie
#2938

Should Merle markings be Tier 7 or Tier 2 ?

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