Breeding Terminology for Future Reference - A Proposal

This is a very new game so mutations/genetics have not been figured out completely yet and won't be for a while

I look forward to trying to figure it out :)  I've done some small amount of test breeding & also bred to both carrier males for mel & alb so hopefully in a couple of generations we'll start to see more. I hope maybe someone rolls another one on PA opening and we can all help them keep them alive this time!

I have lost a bunch of pups each rollover which is sad but at the same time I would have sold or chased them away anyways so it not terrible. But I have lost a few keepers :( 

100% support Line Bred(LB)/ Not Line Bred (NLB) and failing that *anything* but clean/dirty. I just now discovered this silliness, having been away from Lioden for a few years. I was shocked by the implicit judgement in clean/dirty. While I would prefer not to line breed my wolves and will avoid doing so, neither am I willing to rain on someone else's parade because their goals and priorities are not the same as mine.

In fact, I feel strongly enough about the issue that I would probably avoid buying wolves from any player using clean/dirty terminology.

I'm glad to see likeminded people who also see the judgmental connotations of calling it 'clean/dirty' breeding... :/ I've got nothing against the 'clean' playstyle itself and even prefer a non-inbred route on breeding sims like this for myself for lore purposes and for an extra challenge. Just can't get behind terms that clearly place one style as superior and pure, and the other as gross, low-quality, or wrong. (That's not to say players are using these terms because of that, of course, just that connotations exist regardless of intent.)

I think NIB/IB (and additionally LB/NLB for those concerned with linebreeding) is very clear and factual. It gets the point across without making one seem more correct or superior over the other, or making anyone feel like their way of playing the game is invalid or wrong. In fact, to me, the meaning of NIB/IB is even more clear than clean/dirty is. Before I realized the context, I thought 'clean' meant a clean look, as in not muddied with lots of mismatched, low-opacity markings.

I'll probably limit myself to linebreeding for projects because of personal preference, and the conversation on COI% earlier in the thread is really informative and helpful! Definitely be fun and interesting to incorporate that into my breeding process.

@Greensong -- I agree. The connotation of clean/dirty terminology is enough to turn me off a wolf I'd otherwise love to  purchase. Personally, I just can't understand not wanting to use terms that are more inclusive and respectful to all playstyles.

Edit: I saw this was mentioned before... soooo... yeah.

Further down the line, inbreeding may be found in many of the wolves, so avoiding a label on a pedigree indicative of there never being inbreeding and then some with just a small amount of inbreeding would seem pretty exclusive. Perhaps even just later, inbreeding coefficient can come into play, just like dog breeders follow. For example, my mom breeds GSDs IRL and she follows these closely when making breed pairings.

This is Falcon, one of my dog's full brothers (different litter), and his linebreeding stats. There are two calculated inbreeding coefficients (for GSDs, at least) -- I'm not sure the difference between the two though. Obviously the lower, the better, but it's going to be there no matter what. I think most would like to be 5% max. So even though it will probably take some good amount of time before these could be relevant, it could be a nifty thing to add to the Family page.

For my own lore and breeding purposes I've settled in my head that if a wolf doesn't duplicate within the visible pedigree (i.e. 5 generations) that they're far enough back not to matter. It would be the equivalent of me and a significant other finding out we have a great great great grandparent in common from the early 1800s or late 1700s, and I think that's quite enough time gone by and generations in between lol

I don't have a fancy name for it. The 5-Gen rule? The 5Gs? Heh.

I'd really love an official Inbreeding Coefficient on lineages. Even if inbreeding never matters as far as the game mechanics it's just a neat little number. It be a lot better than ' X wolf has X instances of inbreeding ' ala Lioden's system. If you want no inbreeding a 0 is a 0 either way.

I would love that too - I don't know if it's possible because I'm not a programmer, and most of the programs I've used for tracking cats & dogs IRL don't calculate past 10 generations because the math gets too unwieldy I guess? I had thought about plugging in wolves by ID number into one of my pedigree trackers and just running it myself (tracking by Wolf ID number as the unique identifier). That seems like more work than I want to do though, lol.

I mean if it only tracked 5 I'd be fine. And I could see past ten being unwieldy.

1 > 2 > 4 > 8 > 16 > 32 > 64 > 128 > 256 > 512 > 1024 if you went to ten. I can see that getting really cumbersome really quick. Five seems like a sane cap for the poor servers.

Edit: because math is hard