Allow All Males to Breed within the Pack

@Red- From a purely lore perspective, you could do anything. Some people have supernatural-hybrid packs, or werewolves, or living deities, but if we added all those ideas then the game wouldn't be Wolvden, and would end up completely broken and disjointed.

For a stud market to be a thing, it has to be limited in some fashion. Basically IRL you would only be open to studding your best animals out to select people. Because this is a game with no consequences for inbreeding, or popular sire syndrome/genetic bottlenecks, or poor temperament (i.e. aggressive personality) there's more incentive to throw everything up for stud, regardless of quality, in the hopes you get something for it. Not to mention, going through pages and pages and pages of studs, thousands or even millions of wolves, would be incredibly tedious if you didn't have a really specific idea in mind. It might discourage players from using any studs, or even break the site search function.

From a gameplay perspective, there have been a number of things brought up on this thread that allow players more freedom, have few downsides, and even a fair few benefits to the value of males and pups. From a lore perspective, if you want a male that goes wild siring hundreds of litters, get a stud, if you want pairs then only breed the same wolves together within your own pack, if you want to RP conflict then banish the offending wolf to it's own cave and put it in a hunting party by itself for a while, etc etc. Personally I think making males and females able to sire the same number of litters, unless they are your "casanova" stud male, gives you a much wider range of breeding outcomes and lore possibilities, without going overboard. It also prevents creating a scenario similar to LD where the most "popular" traits flood the market, and the most niche traits need to be reintroduced every so often via raffle.

Just commenting to say I support this.  I'd love to have breedable subordinate wolves, even if it has penalties such as increased litter loss and the like. It would also help with the inbreeding thing.

In Lioden, males are completely worthless. In Wolvden, at least they can take on roles like hunting, but why would you waste level-ups on them if they can't pass on their stats? (Granted, I might not be on top of how stats work, I'm assuming the higher the parent stats, the higher the puppy stats and haven't verified this is how it works here.) It still makes more sense to put females into roles due to the stat bumps of leveling, and I've already chased lots of male pups unless there's something special about them that MIGHT sell.

Commenting to support and sub to this topic! Hope it gets in game, this would be cool at some point in the future.

Oh I agree completely with everything you've said, Vague. And I didn't, or at least didn't intend to, imply that lore and gameplay had to match up always, because that will never happen. When conceptualizing a new system, I think users need to understand that lore and gameplay are related, and both affect eachother, but they will never match up exactly. I was just asking some rhetorical questions about how certain lore would interact with certain game systems; making some rhetorical points because like I said earlier, the perspective you brought was new (at least to me) and it changed how I thought about different breeding systems I've seen suggested so far. I wasn't actually questioning why we only have a limited amount of studs in-game, or suggesting that reasonable breeding options should be tossed because some people's lore might not match up, lmao. 

I don't know if I've just been off lately or what but I feel like everything I say here is being heavily misconstrued. I make my living writing and copyediting and I'm starting to wonder 😂 maybe a break is in order, from work and from forums (because I'm totally not already taking a break at work now...) so I may or may not reply much more 

Support. Right now, the only real reason to have males is for a breeding male, otherwise they're taking up room. I want to breed for lore reasons, and tbh don't want to have to sell/chase/sex-change every male pup I get.

Really like this idea, especially if sub males can only breed intra-pack and everyone is still limited to one public stud. I'd definitely be willing to pay a penalty for this (reduced litters, riskier births, lower survival chance for beta pups, etc) because I really like having male wolves in my pack for lore/RP reasons and don't want them to keep feeling like a waste of space.

@Red- I do take everything very literally, so don't worry too much! Although I didn't realise your questions were hypothetical, reading them actually made me think a lot about how lore and gameplay interact. It seemed important to mention the reasons behind why I might support one lore-linked idea and not another, hence why I wrote my reply ^u^

I still support this. 

If we want the breeding male to be more "special" then perhaps other males could have a nerf when they breed, maybe they can only have 1-2 pups per breeding?

Some people just really like the mechanics to match their lore.

Support, with the my own addition. Borrowing from horse RPs, I think it could be beneficial to have more open breeding of males, but that we should also have the option to permanently remove males from the breeding pool in exchange for a stat incentive. It would be an irreversible decision. The male would no longer be breedable, but would gain a pretty significant buff in whatever occupation he was assigned to, making him more valuable as a hunter/scout/healer/pup sitter/etc. 

I like that idea Bruija! It would make it more exclusive and allow players to preserve bloodlines by castrating a male before sending them on