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💢 Visual chart for battle encounters by biome!

Posted 2020-12-17 10:50:28

Chart Update With Foxes

 Not sure about probability of encountering foxes in each biome yet but for now I’m just listing my findings of foxes below just to help everyone out

  • Red FoxFound in Taiga




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#9486

Posted 2020-12-18 10:32:51

I’ve also found red foxes in the Tundra pretty commonly!


CraftyCrab
#18016

Posted 2020-12-18 10:47:04

Red and swift foxes in the prairie


AdmYrrek
#26984

Posted 2020-12-20 20:38:29

Hi, could you clarify what numbers you're using for the totals in each biome? There's many that don't match the numbers I use for my personal calculations.


ranuncudahlia
#1639

Posted 2020-12-21 01:58:19

The total is every species in that group + any optional encounters. What numbers do you have that are different?


Skudde
#17783

Posted 2020-12-21 08:08:05

Generally for battle encounters, particularly when it comes to daily quests, the number of animals in a grouped encounter matter. i.e. if your quest is for 3 hooved prey and you only have 1 encounter for, say, a Muskox Herd, that still counts as 3 prey rather than only 1. It's an important distinction because in areas where you may encounter higher rates of herds/etc or there is a Biome with more grouped species, it may be more ideal to pursue one of those biomes.

Additionally, this advertises that these are for the "odds" of encountering certain species but doesn't provide any information for how rare these species are. Some of the species on your list may actually be quite rare compared to common species in these biomes, and therefore is false information on where to best find them. The Grouse House guide is generally the more accurate resource since the Grouse House has been around since Beta testing and have gathered all of their data over the course of over a year. It's kind of weird to take their data out of context and apply your own interpretation of it without the raw data they used to create their guides.


ranuncudahlia
#1639

Posted 2020-12-21 08:43:36 (edited)

It's a good suggestion that herds could be counted as 3 encounters instead of just 1. I've counted them as 1 because they are fought together, and for someone collecting scars the extra numbers might skew the results. Perhaps herds could be their own category entirely, I'll consider that.

In my experience, animals in a biome seem to be encountered at around the same rate. No single encounter appears to be more rare than others, hence why I've calculated the odds as SpeciesCount/TotalEncounterCount. Some biomes have up to 23 encounters, while some only 16, so the plain number of individual species is not indicative of the actual rate you might get to fight them. I could of course be wrong, but nothing in my experience OR the Grouse House guide suggests otherwise. It's simply an educated guess.

And... this may be just my interpretation, but I get the sense that you're not arguing in good faith here. I'm not advertising anything, there's no fame or benefit to me here. It hints to there being bias when you call my chart "my own interpretation" but Grouse House is supposedly the "raw data" source, despite having listed quite many errors with battle encounters. I had to do a lot of my own research for this graphic because of that. (for example, they claim Jaguars appear in the Desert, and Elk Bulls and Eastern Wolves aren't listed to exist anywhere) GH also counts herds and packs as just 1 encounter btw, so there's also that.

So just... leave out the spite next time? I'm just making guides here and doing my best to keep them accurate and up to date. If you think there's errors just let me know and I'll try to fix it. I'm not trying to step into GH's territory here and claim some kind of title out of it. I simply have friends in this game who are heavily dyslexic and can't get the info they need from GH guides, so while getting myself familiar with the mechanics I can help them out and pour my heart into some charts and graphics.


Skudde
#17783

Posted 2020-12-21 11:40:31

Sorry to not clarify, @ rarities etc, the admins have stated clearly that enemies have a form of rarity. With the foxes update, they specifically stated that foxes are a "common" species. This also matches my own data when trying to research this, as I have started to look into this subject based off of that post's wording.

As for your interpretation, I understand how it may come across like that and I will clarify I have spoken with the Grouse House about research data and editing the wiki but have 0 interaction with the actual content of their guides besides pointing out a spelling error I may notice or any information that is outdated as I update my own research and posts. However, as someone who works extensively in the real world with data and statistics, I have great respect for people's research data and their rights to it. I do not mean to claim they are "the" raw data source but they are one of the few we have in Wolvden, and are the only ones who have publically made their research available for others to use. I would like to hear also your own references for the errors you have found, as I use the Grouse House guides/spreadsheets for my own research gathering purposes, so if there's inconsistencies, I (and I'm sure many other people) would like to hear what they are. I very strongly believe that more research and data is always better than just relying on one or two sources, but I also believe it's important to disclose where this information comes from and how it was gathered, which is why I was thrown off and confused by the lack of specific sourcing in your post. I promise it is not a personal vendetta or any personal critique, and I apologize for any personal implications in my message; I made assumptions about the sources of your data and would greatly appreciate if I could hear more about your own research methods, as it's something I quite enjoy about Wolvden.

As for your examples, in regards to Jaguars and Elk Bulls, I see them listed in the battle encounters spreadsheet which they listed on their battling guide. I would also like to clarify my suggestion of counting herds as 1 encounter rather than 3, again, was not based off of Grouse House. Like I said in my original post, it was based off of my own numbers and research, so I was simply requesting what your information source was, especially in the event my own numbers are incorrect in some way. I understand your logic in deciding to count them as only 1 encounter; my approach has been under identifying the best way to encounter species for questing, so it makes sense for trophies to interpret it as only 1.

I completely respect wanting to make accessible guides and do not have any qualms with it. In that regard, I would like to also make a suggestion of providing a captioned or text format of them (particularly if you have your own research that conflicts with other sources) because with ADHD, I struggle with the graphics and tend to use screenreaders (which generally are incompatible with large graphics), and find large graphics with lots of images visually distracting (this is mainly to do with the markings graph; I don't have this problem with this one nor the personalities graph you've made). I want to emphasize that this is a seperate suggestion completely unrelated to my previous points or the previous topic.


ranuncudahlia
#1639

Posted 2020-12-22 08:39:02

I keep wondering why you came here to start this conversation. Since both GH guide and mine presume all enemies occur at the same rate, you should have really made a wider effort to bring rarity into light in its own thread. You seem to have the interest and skills, so why not just do that or offer your help to GH. They clearly need more help with this stuff since many of the wiki's pages are outdated and some of the chatter topics with their guides have disappeared, though they did decline my offer to collaborate with them so who knows if it's about lack of workforce or something else.

Either way, I'm a graphic designer and not a statistician. I enjoy making graphics and organizing and presenting information that someone else has gathered. I'm willing to fill in holes if needed, but it really isn't my piece of cake to play this game just to make guides. I make them to play, not the other way around. It should also be said that my guides are first and foremost for newbies and casual players. I sacrifice precision for simplicity when necessary. Because of my "target audience" (for the lack of a better word) I don't see the point in making multiple pages of text just to convey how a single mechanic works. And hey, Grouse House is already doing just that for people who want the gritty details! So I have no reason to. They also have a text-based rarity guide for markings if you prefer that over images.

In the end, I like hearing how interested you are in figuring out the exact mechanics with encounters. That data could be useful for a lot of players and I hope something comes out of it. But I'm not the right person to do anything about it.


Skudde
#17783

Posted 2020-12-22 11:19:45

I already explained why I came here, I literally just wanted to ask which information you were referencing and how you got to that result since it was different than my own, since I thought the graphic was for the same purpose as the purpose I was addressing: how to find specific categories of enemies for quests, as opposed to seeking trophies/etc. That's all? I already apologized for making assumptions. And I already have a post about battle encounters seeking additional data. It's clear that this is something you want to take personally as opposed to discuss or answer any of my actual questions, so I'm going to unsubscribe from this thread now. Have a good day.


ranuncudahlia
#1639

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