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pronoun changes?

Posted 2023-05-05 14:03:52
Quoting a fellow poster;

With the new Matchmaker event bringing canon trans on NB wolves and you actually being able to choose your gender I think this thread should come to light again. With a whole event full of representatstion, let's get some in our pack too.
I support. -Lily (GH) #3016


If Wolvden has already made it so you are able to choose your pronouns in an event, I don't see why they can't/wont add the ability to add pronouns. Maybe as a subtext behind the name? BUT at the same time, they might not, as the "foot note" feature may be used as an excuse not to add this feature.

Regardless, you have my support.
Rane
#118890

Posted 2023-05-09 14:10:44
You have my support! My lead is nonbinary and I have two trans wolves that I can currently remember (Firefly Glowing in Night Skies and Leafy Branch of Oak Tree). Both are female melanism carriers, so I do breed them, but it just annoys me when it says something like 'During the lesson, Firefly nipped her littermate's tail blahblahblah" because I don't want either to be referred to by she/her... Plus, this already exists in the Wolvden world (With Swansea being a trans male and I think Ras was a trans female right?) 
I think this is a great idea. i wish you could support things twice.

Firew♥lfie | Beach Gay™
#115961

Posted 2023-08-22 23:41:54
Support. My pack is supposed to canonically be a mostly male pack. I prefer most characters I write lore about to be male/masc as a preference, and to keep male anything when possible - from WolfGame to RPG parties in video games - largely bc I'm An Gay and just prefer the company of other men, fictional or otherwise. But I have most set to female because male wolves that aren't studs or pair-bonded are useless and we have limited pairbonds available to breed them.

I would still like their pronouns for my day-to-day use. Shiba's mockup is fantastic. :3

If their pronouns confuse you, check their bio page for the listed sex lmao?
This isn't complicated. Please don't over-complicate it with claims of how hard it'd make the game.

It's not going to affect your ability to utilize a stud if the stud's pronouns are she/her or they/them. It's not going to confuse you either. Because it says "breed to this stud" and you as a player looking for a stud ONLY need to know mechanically that you can breed to this wolf. This game does not have reverse breeding, so even less chance to get confused.

My main concern is if this were implemented and someone were to mistakenly "misgender" a wolf, who's to say the next suggestion wouldn't be a "strike system" for those who have gotten it wrong in order to stop "hate" when it's perfectly possible people just don't think about pronouns on a site like this? It's just such a risky domino effect waiting to happen.

I think that a lot of LGBT people are used to 'slippery slope' arguments being used against them as a means to deny them day to day rights and this line of thinking might not be too popular. I doubt that the Admins will enforce any sort of rule system unless you are repeatedly, purposefully misgendering a person, at which point, there's already a rule that covers that.

1.1b Users may not abuse, harass or in any other way purposely offend other users on the site.

I understand why but I personally feel like this would be a bit of a useless feature (No offense!) and pronouns can already be added in the footnote or the bio of a wolf so I don't see why this would need to be added

It's more how it reads in event notifications. Since the notifs use she/he tied to wolf sex. this would basically be a flag that says 'refer to this wolf this way instead' on all of the little notifs, thereby changing, for example, "He brought you a gift!" to "They brought you a gift!" Seeing that little change can be validating for people.

Oppose, seems kinda dumb and like an unnecessary mess.

These sort of things only become a dumb and unnecessary mess when sometimes folks might assume things will be forced on them, rather than optional features they don't have to interact with. Nobody will be tRaNSiNg uR gENdeRs WiTh gEnDeR jUIcE against your will. ♥

this will more than likely NEVER happen due to it being extremely unrealistic. i mean no hate but wolves and any animal cannot choose pronouns because its not something needed to survive

I say this as politely as possible: You're playing sparklewolf breeding simulator with an event about the world blowing up with major disasters several times a day, dozens of real cryptids and a Super Cool Moon that gives you sparklewolf colour applicators. If you don't want to interact with it, you don't gotta. :3
I fully support this irrational illogical addition to the game because I want people to have fun <3

same fam <3

[♰] Yharnam
#43420

Posted 2023-08-28 12:53:39
Since Development Update #23, relationship gain flavor text on wolf pages and personality related flavor text when sending a wolf on a mission started describing wolves as they/them while socializing and already existing messages have described he/him on male wolves and she/her on female wolves. I think wolves should be described as either only gender specific or only gender neutral throughout the site, for consistency. What are your opinions on this matter?

Dżanek
#24018

Posted 2023-08-28 13:44:14
I think it should be changed for consistancy's sake if nothing else. That said, I support pronoun options for the players' comfort.

Realism or not, it's a small change that will help make WD's LGBTQ playerbase feel more at home. After all, WD and LD are proudly supportive, so why not, yannow? And it can be easily used by folks who want female wolves for breeding, but their wolves are male lore-wise.

[♰] Yharnam
#43420

Posted 2023-08-28 15:26:16
Consistency is why I find it odd that anyone would oppose this. Even if they don't agree with the idea itself for whatever reason, why be against making it consistent? Win-win.

Whirligig (Hiatus)
#11137

Posted 2023-08-28 16:45:53
I'm not really surprised this has gotten the pushback it has. Pronouns for kings was requested on Lioden and met with a pretty similar mentality. I'm not going to label or accuse those commenting their 'against' reasons, but most of the responses have a wording that makes it feel like the opposition comes from a place of not being affected by being misgendered, and so might not have context or experience with how small little things like these can make a person feel welcome and their existence and lifestyle validated.

Consistancy is the biggest neutral reason to be in favor. But ultimately, this change harms no one and is an optional field you'd have to manually enter data for, for the field to affect your game.

But the idea of it being 'unnecessary' feels like a silly reason, especially when this game is getting constant, major unnecessary additions, and not terribly much in the way of real, substantial content. This is such a tiny little tweak.

[♰] Yharnam
#43420

Posted 2023-10-13 14:50:23
I agree with 🍭 SilliSyco on page 4.
Ramen
#28272

Posted 2023-11-07 06:14:06
I remember seeing this suggestion around the time when it was first posted, and honestly after returning from a loooong hiatus I was a little surprised to see this idea, or even anything similar to it, hadn't yet been implemented.

I fully support! I don't see how it could possibly do any harm to a player's experience - to be able to select/specify a wolf's pronouns would make a world of difference for a lot of people (including myself) who have wolves that don't use the pronouns typically associated with their sex. I feel that the option to change a wolf's pronouns would not only help to make people feel a lot more comfortable, but it would also improve immersion - after all, it's a little jarring to see flavour text use one set of pronouns for a wolf when you refer to them with different pronouns. And for people who aren't interested in the feature at all, they could just... not use it. Like, I genuinely don't understand why people are so opposed when they could have the option to just not use a customizable pronouns feature if they didn't want to.

venna
#8705

Posted 2023-11-07 06:18:17
Full support from me! I have a ton of trans characters, so seeing them with their preferred pronouns would be great!!

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