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Feedback Request: Traveling Wolves

Posted 2022-10-11 12:20:29
#851305
As for the breeding issue, what if you could select or the game selects one of your female wolves to become the surrogate mother? the puppies just transfer to another female?
AlphaSnowSong
#3848
Posted 2022-10-11 12:20:53 (edited)
#851306
Role idea incoming

I just thought of something to help with roles and stat/leveling for those who'd want it after thinking a bit to help out with smoothing the feature and maybe make others happy.

* Being a traveler could help a wolf gain experience by a certain amount every rollover, similar to pup sitters, as they are traveling around and learning things in their own way.

* They could assist the pack with extra/minor stuff a couple times a day that wouldn't affect roles and would only be things a traveler could do.
if not at least learn things that'd also let them earn exp and a few random stats.

Idea names:
Tour guide
Where they could be shown around and gain information about the pack.
[This could be a flavor text. Rewards? exp mostly]

Assist
They can perform a random action that helps the pack out like gathering herbs, toys, maybe food, patrols/guard duty that has them reporting anything of note or even helping to look after the pups/adols.
[Flavor text for adol/pups and  'patrol/guard reports'
rewards? Exp w/ a possibility of getting a random herb/toy/critter carcass]

So similar to adols/pups but with the exp gain and either a random chance at a stat boost or the wolf could earn 1-2 stats from assisting.

Merchant/Entertainer
They'll see about exchanging goods with you to remain or give some form of entertainment such as songs, dances and stories to share with your pack.
[Flavor text with exp and a chance of a random stat or two]

Since this is for the traveler only then it should make it a bit easier to not have them stuck with the host.
They could still be recalled regardless if the host is inactive or not and whatever they were doing would just either be canceled if ongoing [unlikely if the host is inactive for a good long while aka days]
and/Or
have it auto complete with half the gains the wolf would've gotten at least.

Of course this is just an idea and up to the staff. I just want to help out  ^ ^;
Fea
#12206
Posted 2022-10-11 12:21:55
#851308
@Harley

To add onto what Slothie said, if you mean that they will go with the mother and stay at the owner's den until they wean, then go to the host that bred them, that has issues too. The mother would be in the owner's hands and if they're annoyed there are pups that they can't use or chase, they could just use loopholes to kill them. Pup survival odds are based on the mother, so with a little care deprivation during winter and a lack of pupsitter protection, the pups would be dead before being weaned. It's not worth it.

And I don't think going over max capacity of den slots should be allowed in any situation, ever. That can be abused too.
Whirligig
#11137
Posted 2022-10-11 12:23:01
#851310
I have no problem with Traveling wolves gain a bit of experience each night they spend in a pack different then their own, the same way pupsitters gain experience each night.
Slothie
#2938
Posted 2022-10-11 12:36:04
#851328
Nice idea but... how would them lvl up? will they be able to breed? I have way too many questions X'D
Eri
#10057
Posted 2022-10-11 12:41:33
#851335
I don't think Travellers should be able to have roles like other wolves, it creates too many issues. They need other things they can do, like when you have an adolescent join a hunting team or herbalist etc, something like that. Or something entirely new, like maybe they can play with the alpha or smth, like beta males in lioden do? Idk. But in the case of breeding I think it should be 100% allowed. If someone takes in a traveller and decides to breed it, then they know that those pups technically belong to the original owner. They're not travelling reverse studs, they're just travellers. Their pups should go with them, unless they're weaned. If you have an agreement with the owner that you will get the pups then that's an agreement based on trust just like when people stud to a wolf they were promised to get a refund for. I see no problems with breeding a traveller if everyone understands that this is a traveller, not a wolf that you own for the time being
⌘Tallbarr⌘
#29379
Posted 2022-10-11 12:44:39
#851336
Breeding is a big issue because even in the sense of this post, people can't seem to agree on who the pups would technically belong to. I've seen numerous people suggest the den who bred them, and numerous people suggest the original traveller's den.
Slothie
#2938
Posted 2022-10-11 12:48:36
#851338
@⌘Tallbarr⌘

What you mentioned is exactly why breeding shouldn't be allowed.

Why should it be that the agreement is sound when it comes to someone taking pups that someone else bred, but NOT sound when someone chases a wolf in their own den? They both deal with matters of ownership and a promise-based transaction. If it is okay for an owner to take away the pups a host bred using their wolf, then it should be okay for a host to chase a traveler they no longer want.

It loops straight back around to what's considered okay and what's not. If they deal with the same ideal, one shouldn't be a risk that someone chooses to take while the other is considered a scam that should be addressed.
Whirligig
#11137
Posted 2022-10-11 12:52:15
#851341
imo, I'd think about it as if it was a real thing happening in some sort of magical wolf world. The pups are with the mother and belongs to the mother wolf until they are weaned, and when they're weaned they belong to the pack they live in because they can choose to stay or go. And whether the pups belong here or there in this game is pretty clearly that the owner has every right to claim the pups until they're weaned. I don't find it complicated at all unless someone is in it just to breed to the wolf and not to have a traveller, like I said these are not travelling reverse studs, just travellers. If either party really wants one of the pups but somehow didn'g get them then it must be based on a discussion between the owner and the one who bred the pups. I don't think it has to be an issue at all unless people make it into an issue
⌘Tallbarr⌘
#29379
Posted 2022-10-11 12:53:17
#851342
@whirligig It's not the same, a traveller has a LOT of time and effort put into it.
⌘Tallbarr⌘
#29379