Intersex wolves as a mutation

Intersex wolves as a mutation
Posted 2022-11-27 21:14:24 #888856 I have seen others post on here about adding intersex wolves but, due to the stigma that already exists around intersex people, not having it be a mutation. I want to argue for the opposite, not only because it is literally a mutation but because I believe it will function better in gameplay and will be more interesting. I read what others said about "gamifying" things like deafness, blindness, ect. in the wolves you can add to your pack rather than those characters actually being good representation. To this, I counter that this is, above all else, a game. I don't mean to be insensitive and I know representation is important as I am queer, disabled, and hell in some circles I'm considered intersex myself. What I am saying is that this is also a place where the children of your characters are bought and sold, the characters themselves are bought and sold, and in nearly all packs there is one choice male with several body modifications that sells his body to mate. I don't necessarily think that having intersexuality being a mutation is really deviating from any of that too much. Here are some of my proposed rules for intersex wolves: Wolf encounters have a 1% chance of being intersex, same for births Intersexuality is a randomized secondary mutation Intersex wolves have no other physical change in their art (obviously as there is no difference between male and female) These wolves will default they/them pronouns While I don't think they should be shorter lived or more prone to illness across the board, I think there does need to be an algorithm that gives a value as to how much shorter an individual's life will be or how likely to have complications later Vast majority of these wolves would be sterile with a tiny percentage being fertile in one way or another (just like it is in nature) I lean toward having the sex changer having no effect on intersex wolves but I will difer to the intersex community for that one. I realize that there is a huge problem in the world of intersex babies having surgery to force them to look like one sex or the other, so I don't super like the idea of continuing that idea here. Plus, the sex changer is meant to make the wolf into its opposite sex which doesn't make much sense with intersex individuals More particular mutations that relate to intersexuality (such as trisonomy x or Klinefelter syndrome) could be rarities as well which might also introduce the idea of random infertility in the wolves which tbh may bring less focus on the gamifying of different mutations that affect people and breeding them like others have noticed TL;DR: I think there should be an intersex mutation to be more accurate to reality. It is a mutation and could present with problems that would enrich gameplay.	vernillion #106571

Posted 2022-11-27 21:14:24

#888856

I have seen others post on here about adding intersex wolves but, due to the stigma that already exists around intersex people, not having it be a mutation. I want to argue for the opposite, not only because it is literally a mutation but because I believe it will function better in gameplay and will be more interesting.

I read what others said about "gamifying" things like deafness, blindness, ect. in the wolves you can add to your pack rather than those characters actually being good representation. To this, I counter that this is, above all else, a game. I don't mean to be insensitive and I know representation is important as I am queer, disabled, and hell in some circles I'm considered intersex myself. What I am saying is that this is also a place where the children of your characters are bought and sold, the characters themselves are bought and sold, and in nearly all packs there is one choice male with several body modifications that sells his body to mate. I don't necessarily think that having intersexuality being a mutation is really deviating from any of that too much.

Here are some of my proposed rules for intersex wolves:

Wolf encounters have a 1% chance of being intersex, same for births

Intersexuality is a randomized secondary mutation

Intersex wolves have no other physical change in their art (obviously as there is no difference between male and female)

These wolves will default they/them pronouns

While I don't think they should be shorter lived or more prone to illness across the board, I think there does need to be an algorithm that gives a value as to how much shorter an individual's life will be or how likely to have complications later

Vast majority of these wolves would be sterile with a tiny percentage being fertile in one way or another (just like it is in nature)

I lean toward having the sex changer having no effect on intersex wolves but I will difer to the intersex community for that one. I realize that there is a huge problem in the world of intersex babies having surgery to force them to look like one sex or the other, so I don't super like the idea of continuing that idea here. Plus, the sex changer is meant to make the wolf into its opposite sex which doesn't make much sense with intersex individuals

More particular mutations that relate to intersexuality (such as trisonomy x or Klinefelter syndrome) could be rarities as well which might also introduce the idea of random infertility in the wolves which tbh may bring less focus on the gamifying of different mutations that affect people and breeding them like others have noticed

TL;DR: I think there should be an intersex mutation to be more accurate to reality. It is a mutation and could present with problems that would enrich gameplay.

vernillion
#106571

Posted 2022-11-28 15:34:45 (edited)

#889425

No support. It's opening up a huge can of worms for the misrepresentation of an already marginalised set of persons, and I don't agree with your premise that just because it's a game it doesn't matter. It does matter. People with real life conditions shouldn't have to confront more clumsy handling of what they actually live with when they play wolvden. You may not mind it, but for others, seeing a part of themselves stereotyped and stripped of all nuance for the sake of interesting gameplay really stings.

VagueShapes
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Posted 2023-04-30 20:45:17

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Hello!

An older thread suggesting intersex wolves has been previously posted here, so we will be locking this as a duplicate. Please feel free to comment your suggestions or ideas regarding intersex wolves to that thread.

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