Inbreeding Warning Pop-Up

I think its a happy compromise because in real life it kind of nullafies (i.e IB beyond that point isnt considered an overall issue) because I really dont care if my wolves have been IB at some point as long as it isnt on the immediate page. But i hate that i accidentally bred two wolves that had the same granfather together, yes error on my part, but even a small (hey! These wolves are relate or hey! These pups will be inbred) notification would be nice- especially if you could toggle it off. While i know IB has no in game effect, this could be a fun little mechanic to make breeding even more streamline.

Oh yeah, for sure. A warning would be good, or a toggle-able filter in your breeding tab that removes related wolves from the dropdown. Or maybe filter only certain levels of relation? I recently adopted a pup whose father was bred to his great-grandmother. That doesn't cause any problems in-game, but... it makes me go

So that might be helpful, to keep you from doing ^that on accident. Some levels of inbreeding are just inherently less weird than others, like cousins.

while I know devs dont want wolvden to be compared to Lioden.. I know lioden had a system where when you viewed a lions family page, a bar would be at the bottom which said "this lion has x instances of inbreeding" or words similar to those. it was pretty handy and one I thought was useful. I'd love to see smth like that coded here.

Agree. A warning that you might be inbreeding a wolf and a note in a wolf's family tree that there are (x) instances of inbreeding would be really helpful.

I support this idea. I know they are just pixel wolves, but it’s still something I don’t really want to do. I know on several occasions I have almost bred two wolves without even realizing they were related because it was through studding. I was glad that I looked into the family history before I did that, but I think it would help players to have some sort of warning.

Support! This would be super useful. 

I support this function (especially if there is the ability to toggle it off) though I'd have to politely disagree with DogBlud's idea of completely getting rid of the ability to inbreed in general. IB or NIB should be left on a player by player basis as both has it's pros and cons.

However, I feel that there should be some quality-of-life tools out there to aid in whatever rules the players set for themselves (whether that be for personal comfort or genuine self-made challenges). Having a pop-up doesn't affect gameplay, nor the people that do IB, it is just a simple banner giving information to make it more noticeable in case the person fails to see it (like the warning giving how many pups are unprotected).

I think a good warning for when you are about to inbreed wolves would be, "[wolf's name] has shown up at least [X number] of times in [other wolf's name]'s family tree. (NOTE: Inbreeding doesn't affect gameplay)"

Uh, well, in conclusion I support an option to turn on/off a pop-up box that would warn in case of inbreeding but what might count as inbreeding is a subject that might be hard to decide, especially if you look at what kind of marriage the majority of the countries in the world allows.

Following text is some of my thoughts about the matter which is entirely unnecessary to read but gives some insight on my opinion.

Then comes the question on what constitutes as inbreeding. Humans are allowed by law in most countries to marry first cousin , and by most I mean that most countries in the world (and 26/50 states in the US), the average shared DNA is 12.5% . There's also more than a few countries that allow Avunculate marriage where the average shared DNA is 25%.

So where should the line be drawn? Fourth cousins have an average of 0.2% shared DNA which is what most breeders where I live (from what I've found) for example use as a guide (maximum amount) when breeding purebreds in cat and dogs. There's also research that shows that marriage between fourth cousins can be good for the health in offspring since there's just enough shared genetic material that can boost instead of cause problems since they're far enough apart. Not the easiest to find since it's a controversial subject but there's plenty of proof that too far apart can cause problem, especially when/if the person becomes sick. A couple of years ago I read about a couples hunt for someone who had the same type of mix of ethnicity as their daughter because due to the unique genetic markers she had, it made her unable to get treatment since there were no donors (they'd even yet to find a single person with similar mix). They'd been searching for several years without luck and time was running out. 

I do like the idea of being able to choose having a pop-up about inbreeding when breeding, but what exactly constitutes as inbreeding? Should we go by laws? And in that case, which country?  How far back should it count? Technically inbreeding is only a problem when the consequences happen, and in later generation if there's a problem that gets passed down by genetics.  Personally I have no issue about inbreeding in games where there's no consequences (I know many have though) so I'd rather see a pop-up because there's consequences but that's a much more complex suggestion that would mean a large overhaul of the entire breeding system (I think) so I haven't suggested it because if the creators would've planned that, I think they would've included it (or at least the possibility) from the very beginning :P

Source for percentages: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_incest#Degrees_of_relationship

@FoxOwl Inbreeding is a complicated subject irl. Not just between humans, but between animal species (with some animal breeders they go by COI). However this game is not a basis for what happens in real life and I think deciding on when the pop-up happens based on a country's legitimate laws is going to make things here a bit more complex than it should be. Especially since players have different rules set for themselves on what inbreeding is acceptable or not. I think the pop-up should really only count for inbreeding in the immediate family tree as that is what most people worry about, and it will prevent possibly bogging down the server too much with trying to read wolves with 3-4 full family trees for inbreeding. 

@LittlePuppy

thats kind of what I meant but I seems to have missed writing it out in a good way. It’s a hard subject and that’s also why it’s important to define a bit more clearly what inbreeding means. I’ve seen countless ppl who go over entire family trees to make sure there’s no shared ancestor anywhere. 

I totally agree with you about the server but maybe include up to and with great-grandparents generation? Then second cousins are covered as well.