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Inbreeding Warning Pop-Up

Posted 2021-09-18 02:59:54
If you put this toggle option, the game would mention inbreeding in settings. It would bother especially those who didn't know about inbreeding before. Therefore, more players may decide on NIB playstyle due to this change, giving IB and long-lineage wolves even less demand and value.

Dżanek
#24018

Posted 2021-09-18 04:10:06
@ Dżanek you seriously don't want players to make informed choices for their own pack? How long before we need to msg you to be sure any choice we make meets with your approval?
That's rhetorical.
I didn't ask anyone's permission to chase 25+ inbred wolves over 6 months ago when I didn't have any  I could breed without compounding the inbreeding. I reformed my pack to suit me.
Any player who wants to line breed or inbreed their pack is also free to do so.

Celtic Ravens
#31620

Posted 2021-09-18 04:15:36 (edited)
I personally don't think that's an issue since lineage already exists in the game. Inbreeding is there, even if it doesn't really have an effect. What you're talking about is just an 'ignorance is bliss' factor. The view family option is already there for people who do actually care about keeping their lines clean, so the only way people wouldn't already know about it is if they never click that button. An option to automatically check the lines for inbreeding would just make things easier on those who don't want inbreeding in their pack. Keeping players ignorant of an existing game feature doesn't exactly seem ideal.
Edit: @ Dżanek

dearhunter
#29460

Posted 2021-09-18 04:42:19
I'm fine with changes that would help NIB players to breed their wolves but without the game system telling players what inbreeding is as it could put a line between which wolves are inbreed and which are not - I want it to leave for the player's reflection, everywolf sees inbreeding differently. There's a wrong solution to the valid problem. I'm fine if, alternatively, there was a better view on heritage tree or the heritage showed the list of NBWs which IDs can be repetitive for inbred wolves, maybe with an option to sort by ID - without teaching everywolf the inbreeding term.

Dżanek
#24018

Posted 2021-09-18 05:12:12
@ Dżanek  So you agree the game devs can add a toggle that will help players check 2 wolves lineages before breeding, but no one can know what they're checking for... I'm beginning to feel like Yossarian in this discussion.

Celtic Ravens
#31620

Posted 2021-09-18 05:14:00 (edited)
It is a very weird argument, CR, it's not just you who's baffled by it.

DogBlud
#24586

Posted 2021-09-18 05:15:48
Thank you @ DogBlud

Celtic Ravens
#31620

Posted 2021-09-18 05:41:55
It depends what you mean by "checking" 2 wolves lineages. I wouldn't like to have a system that directly points out certain result due to the same wolf-ancestor appearing in both lineages. If you mean that players could see 2 whole lineage trees on one page - I see no point in toggling this. I'm not certain what you exactly mean now.

I'd like to remind once again that the game has never mentioned "inbreeding" - this is players who brought out such term into the game and use it when describing their wolves and breeding. And I want it to stay this way.

Dżanek
#24018

Posted 2021-09-18 06:14:53 (edited)
Why, though.

It's such a weird thing to go into semantics about. It's not like it's some unknown concept that will suddenly corrupt everything about the game.

EDIT: Hell, it's not even like it has to be called 'inbreeding,' just 'check family trees (two instances of (x) detected)' or w/e, word it however you want, I honestly don't think it's that big a deal to warn people about it, or have a toggle that is, by default, switched off.

DogBlud
#24586

Posted 2021-09-18 07:00:46
This is my personal thought that I'm not keen on implementing features that enforce player metagaming which currently exists, in this case inbreeding. NIB wolves have higher value than IB ones and if players who decide to sell wolves for high earnings are forced to take NIB playstyle. The value of IB wolves can drop even more when the game starts pointing out inbreeding instances.

Dżanek
#24018

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