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please don’t integrate karma! (addendum: at least not how exists in LD)

Posted 2023-07-21 15:11:16
#1043328
I would much rather see all the man hours for a project like this go into something else that is more needed or more interesting/exciting. Wolvden is pretty well fleshed-out overall, but still has a ton of room for improvement, changes and upgrades - new events, new minigames, changes to the custom decor system and to the stat ceiling, the list goes on - I'm sure others would agree that there more pressing issues than introducing a karma system that most people don't want.
mercurie
#35270
Posted 2023-07-27 18:15:39
#1045920
Full support!

I feel the karma system differentiates the games in a creative way. It makes them feel less cookie-cutter. It's not "the wolf game" and "the lion game" at present, but would feel that way if they shared too many similarities.
Paw
#112093
Posted 2023-08-16 10:20:04
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#113195
Posted 2023-08-16 10:24:06
#1053611
Full support from me.

Karma system, as it was on lioden, does not fit the overall tone of this game. Lioden's karma-based encounter writing was atrocious. I don't want my wolf to be a death lord or a goody-two-shoe angel king, you know? I just want him to be a cool wolf doing wolf things.

I like that wolvden has been quite naturalistic (note: naturalistic, not realistic) in comparison to Lioden in a sense, that acting like a wolf would in nature (for example, killing an injured animal) is not punished as an evil act. 		Elzu
#112037
Posted 2023-10-19 16:44:40
#1080738
If it's inevitable to have karma system, I wish it wasn't as simple as wolves being "good" and "bad" but split into multiple pairs (or even trios if possible) of polarized between each other characteristics like "brave" and "cowardly", "generous" and "skimpy", "docile" and "stubborn", etc.
Dżanek
#24018
Posted 2023-10-19 17:01:39
#1080744
As I mentioned earlier in this post thread (February 2021, my god) I am really skeptical about the possible karma system. I'm concerned that it will end up vilifying my lead wolf for things like killing an ailing deer or whatever, while my hunters are given carte blanche to absolutely demolish every animal they come across.

In addition to that potential problem, the other is, as I mentioned before, that moral choice systems pretty commonly devolve into "be super bad or super good only" because middle ground is just useless. This time I'll directly quote Yahtzee Croshaw, from his Zero Punctuation review of Infamous 2: "as always, the best rewards are reserved for only the biggest saints or the biggest cocks, so altering your attitude is pointless, and they might as well ask you at the start of the game if you're going for a saint or cock run and stop nagging us with the same choice every five minutes"
Katie
#28191
Posted 2023-10-19 17:04:34
#1080745
SUPPORT It seems pretty official now but i am not looking forward to it
Yup[Rat]nikᘛ⁐̤ᕐᐶ
#91893
Posted 2023-10-19 18:25:30
#1080780
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#113195
Posted 2023-10-19 19:13:10
#1080796
I don't come from LD so I dont have anything to compare it to, but I've been seeing things like this around often lately and I think it could be beneficial to take a different approach on the karma system on Wolvden. I liked the idea of utilizing the pack rather than explore! I'm not sure how that would be integrated but it sounds more ambiguous.
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#65468
Posted 2024-05-30 04:10:22 (edited)
#1209620
This thread has been inactive for a while, but support!! I'm really not looking forward to the karma system.
To me it just feels out of place, as a lot of other things are reminiscent on actual real life wolves and how they live. "Good" or "bad" are entirely human concepts that, in my opinion, have no place in the lore of this game. I also think that karma systems really generalize things, like an option is either good or bad, there's no room for nuance.

I feel like Wolvden as it currently is also allows for a variety of different play styles and I'm afraid that a karma system would limit that. I want to play how I prefer, without having a label forced upon me based on my actions.

I tried playing Lioden in the past, but I just couldn't get into it, partially because of the karma system because as a beginner I also found it quite confusing and intimidating.

So yeah, TLDR I really hope they change their mind and don't add this :')
Dakota
#80237
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